Car Counts vs. Purse

[hippyracer00]

Thumper, I totally agree with you

I've been saying the same thing for years

And if you look at the i37 car count it government up every week

For many reasons. 1st gota give credit to the knutson's for saving that. Track

Really well run

2nd its way cheaper to run dirt. Especially when you factor in costs like transponders and hans type devices

Don't take me wrong, that's a safety issue and safety first. I'm just saying that making racing affordable gives the Guy/gal in the grandstands who wants to race a chance to do so. Thus, a bigger car count. More car count means more butts in seats. I personaly think small tracks should stop becomeing "NASCAR" sanctioned

We r shorttrack racing. Not nascar. Let's keep it affordable

Let's keep it real. My two cents

[floyd#65]

Well I wasn't going to say anything on this tread but here goes. I am not racing this year partly because of health reasons and partly because of what it cost to race. As you guys know I run mainly in the Grand Stock class. Now everybody on this thing thinks that there class is the class that puts asses in the seats especaly the upper classes but I can tell you this after not racing for over a year I walked up in the stands at the last race and I had a lot of fans shaking my hand and asking when I will be coming back. So all of us have fans that come to watch us. As I see it from my side (no Bashing just my opinion) the new rules as to total invert and all involved turn me off because the total invert causes more wrecks and tore up race cars. I know this from the team members I am involve with. More wrecks=more work and more money. The all involved rule is what it is if somewon turns you even though you did nothing wrong you go to the rear sonow chances are you will probebly tear up your car atleast some trying to get back to the front. So with all of the added cost of hanns and transponder and upkeep I can't afford to race even in this lower class.

[n2racing2]

I see alot of people with ideas on what the track should do. But no ideas on what the drivers as a series are doing for the track. The NASKARTS get no purse money from the track. We have gone out and found sponsors for the series as a group. We pay $25.00 at the gate to get in. Then as a group, we each give $20.00 for the purse. $10.00 of that goes to the nightly purse and $10.00 goes to the end of season purse. We payout $130.00 on race night. Thats basically means we only need 7 drivers putting up their purse money for a nightly payout. 7 x $20.00 = $140.00 We pay out $65.00 to the winner, $40.00 to 2nd and $25.00 to 3rd.

 

Maybe all you drivers in each series need to get together and come up with ways to create your own purses instead of leaving everything to the track to care of for you. Each series can determine what kind of purse they would want to payout and how much each driver should pay in and just pay the top 3. Show up money?!?!? Quit whining...you have a place to race. As a group we can all make it better. as individuals....and only thinking of yourself and what someone else should do for you, just creates the anomosity and bickering that you may see here.

 

WHAT CAN EACH AND EVERY RACER, DO FOR THE TRACK, OTHER THAN SHOW UP TO RACE?!?!

 

We created the NASKART Pro Racing Series from nothing on this idea and we will continue to grow as a series together. Will you?

[HiTech]

I see alot of people with ideas on what the track should do. But no ideas on what the drivers as a series are doing for the track. The NASKARTS get no purse money from the track. We have gone out and found sponsors for the series as a group. We pay $25.00 at the gate to get in. Then as a group, we each give $20.00 for the purse. $10.00 of that goes to the nightly purse and $10.00 goes to the end of season purse. We payout $130.00 on race night. Thats basically means we only need 7 drivers putting up their purse money for a nightly payout. 7 x $20.00 = $140.00 We pay out $65.00 to the winner, $40.00 to 2nd and $25.00 to 3rd.

 

Maybe all you drivers in each series need to get together and come up with ways to create your own purses instead of leaving everything to the track to care of for you. Each series can determine what kind of purse they would want to payout and how much each driver should pay in and just pay the top 3. Show up money?!?!? Quit whining...you have a place to race. As a group we can all make it better. as individuals....and only thinking of yourself and what someone else should do for you, just creates the anomosity and bickering that you may see here.

 

WHAT CAN EACH AND EVERY RACER, DO FOR THE TRACK, OTHER THAN SHOW UP TO RACE?!?!

 

We created the NASKART Pro Racing Series from nothing on this idea and we will continue to grow as a series together. Will you?

QUESTION ..WHAT DOES IT COST TO RACE A GO KART .. VERSES ANY OTHER TYP OF CAR ...GO KARTS YOU CAN LOAD UP IN A PICKUP ..A RACECAR NEEDS A TRAILOR ...WHAT IS THE TIRE COST FOR GO KARTS .. .VERSES OTHERS TYPS OF CARS AND HOW MANY NIGHTS CAN YOU RUN ON A SET OF GO KART TIRES ....WHATS DOES FUEL COST .. FOR BOTH GO KART CAR AND HAULER ..WHAT DOES A MOTOR COST OVER OTHER TYPS OF CARS .. WHAT IS YOUR OVER ALL COST TO RACE EACH NIGHT .. IT COST US ON JUST ONE CAR AVERAGE $80 TO 100 DALLORS A NIGHT AND THATS THE LOW SIDE ..... BASE THAT OFF OF TIRE WEAR.. FUEL COST ..GAS COST .PIT PASSES ..AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO WITH RACEN ONE NIGHT ..... YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINT AND IDEAL THAT WORKS FOR THE TYP OF CARS YOU RACE .. AND YES IT CAN WORK FOR LARGER CLASSES ..BUT IN REALITY ..YOU WONT GET ENOUGH CARS RUNNING TO HELP OFFSET THE HUGH COST ..... IN A PERFECT WORLD IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE CLASS SPONSORS . IN LOCAL RACEN THATS NOT THE CASE ..NOT KNOCKING YOU AT ALL ....BUT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT COST PER AVERAGE NIGHT FOR GO KARTS ...

[Crazyhorse]

the new rules as to total invert and all involved turn me off because the total invert causes more wrecks and tore up race cars. I know this from the team members I am involve with.

 

floyd i respect you a great deal but i disagree.....inverts don't cause the wrecks. skill levels and impatients cause wrecks. mainly from those that think because they have a faster car, higher point average,etc.etc. means they have a higher skill level and an out dated appointment to be in the front where they 'think 'they rightly belong. one of my total dislikes to racing lately and my (to a certain degree) of not wanting to race any longer has to do with this attitude of 'i'm better than you',,,,,,well your'e not if you have to run through them instead of around them. the faster car does not mean the 'better driver' if it did you wouldn't hear soooo many of those 'front runners' complaining about inverts.....they'd just be getting it done.

i never have and never will like the all involved or any form of madhouse or what ever other tag they want to put on it.......that's just chicken s--t. economics and lack of respect is killing asphalt racing.

 

ps- and yes BIG A. i'd probably race for free.....as long as i'm still having fun, and that has nothing to do with the tracks or policies. it starts with the guys you race with and weather or not the respect is there, and there ain't much there.

[rebelracewriter]

 

I'm trying really hard folks......Really I am....

[arob]

Please allow me to respond as a long time fan. I think everyone knows the money it takes to build and maintain a race car.But I don't see on these boards how much money it takes for the track to operate.The cost of electricity alone has to be staggering.Add in the cost of ambulance , safety crew concession workers and support staff.And this is every time they race. Rebel can tell I bet with all the tracks he visits what the tracks and racers with car counts are doing that makes them successful.Just from what I have personally seen South Texas Speedway and Texana Speedway are doing something right.Look at what they are doing.From a fan standpoint those two tracks make it fun to go.

[racer61]

the new rules as to total invert and all involved turn me off because the total invert causes more wrecks and tore up race cars. I know this from the team members I am involve with.

 

floyd i respect you a great deal but i disagree.....inverts don't cause the wrecks. skill levels and impatients cause wrecks. mainly from those that think because they have a faster car, higher point average,etc.etc. means they have a higher skill level and an out dated appointment to be in the front where they 'think 'they rightly belong. one of my total dislikes to racing lately and my (to a certain degree) of not wanting to race any longer has to do with this attitude of 'i'm better than you',,,,,,well your'e not if you have to run through them instead of around them. the faster car does not mean the 'better driver' if it did you wouldn't hear soooo many of those 'front runners' complaining about inverts.....they'd just be getting it done.

i never have and never will like the all involved or any form of madhouse or what ever other tag they want to put on it.......that's just chicken s--t. economics and lack of respect is killing asphalt racing.

 

ps- and yes BIG A. i'd probably race for free.....as long as i'm still having fun, and that has nothing to do with the tracks or policies. it starts with the guys you race with and weather or not the respect is there, and there ain't much there.

 

 

Agreed.

[Blue Moon Motorsports]

I will tell you this...in answer to Aaron's original question - I haven't raced this year for financial and health reasons.....but I am on the mend health wise.......But if I had the chance to race, I would race for free!

[fast18]

I'm not bitchin'....I would race for free if I could afford it !!! This season I am racing for fun and the payout helps me afford it. I have no answers for the low car counts. I do know we have more happy fans @ THR now and it would be nice if the racers would show up. I do have some knowledge of what it costs to run a track and a little more help at the back gate would be good for the track . I'm pretty sure I will be starting last every race the rest of the season but I enjoy working my way cleanly to the front (or middle !). I will gladly give up a position or two so I can drive my car on the trailer at the end of the night. That is one thing I have noticed...some drivers need to have some patience. I guess if I wasn't paying for everything out of my pocket and doing all the repairs & upkeep I may be more aggressive.

[NickHolt]

Thanks to those who have tried to be constructive in this thread. Everyone has ideas on how to promote racing and some of those ideas are very positive and helpful... But there are a few who take opportunities like the one Aaron offered at the start of this thread to open fire with both barrels. I'm not sure why, but that's not why Lone Star Speedzone is here.

 

I am removing a few of the complaints from earlier posts that I missed when I was traveling to HMP, doing the Umscheid Race Services Live Updates, catching three hours sleep and then spending the day at Grandsport helping someone set up their road course car. Then, of course, the four hour trip back to SA which means that I missed a few of the posts that I normally would have removed, which I am now editing or removing.

 

I am going to ask one more time that folks with a complaint about the way a track is run, a bitch about how unfair they feel they have been treated (right or wrong), etc, please take your issues up with the track instead of posting them in a public forum like Lone Star Speedzone.

 

Thanks.

[thumper]

Well I just read on Wrestleview that Dwayne " The Rock " Johnson has just singed up for Fast and Furious # 6.Still think the tuner cars have no audience or drawing powers?

[PAPA]

Well I just read on Wrestleview that Dwayne " The Rock " Johnson has just singed up for Fast and Furious # 6.Still think the tuner cars have no audience or drawing powers?

The "OM Wiener-mobile" has an audiance and drawing power too but I dont want to see it in the car count.

[Blue Moon Motorsports]

Well I just read on Wrestleview that Dwayne " The Rock " Johnson has just singed up for Fast and Furious # 6.Still think the tuner cars have no audience or drawing powers?

 

Yup....but notice that Vin Diesel still drives Mopar Muscle and that the tuner cars were traded in for a Yenko Camaro and a 70 Challenger in #5

[hray]

Well I just read on Wrestleview that Dwayne " The Rock " Johnson has just singed up for Fast and Furious # 6.Still think the tuner cars have no audience or drawing powers?

The "OM Wiener-mobile" has an audiance and drawing power too but I dont want to see it in the car count.

 

GOOD ONE!

[floyd#65]

floyd i respect you a great deal but i disagree.....inverts don't cause the wrecks. skill levels and impatients cause wrecks. mainly from those that think because they have a faster car, higher point average,etc.etc. means they have a higher skill level and an out dated appointment to be in the front where they 'think 'they rightly belong. one of my total dislikes to racing lately and my (to a certain degree) of not wanting to race any longer has to do with this attitude of 'i'm better than you',,,,,,well your'e not if you have to run through them instead of around them. the faster car does not mean the 'better driver' if it did you wouldn't hear soooo many of those 'front runners' complaining about inverts.....they'd just be getting it done.

i never have and never will like the all involved or any form of madhouse or what ever other tag they want to put on it.......that's just chicken s--t. economics and lack of respect is killing asphalt racing.

 

ps- and yes BIG A. i'd probably race for free.....as long as i'm still having fun, and that has nothing to do with the tracks or policies. it starts with the guys you race with and weather or not the respect is there, and there ain't much there.

 

Crazyhorse I respect you a hell of a lot also and after thinking about it you are probebly correct about the inverts. I know thinking back when I was racing the world famous red #65 El Camino it was a blast to start in the back and try to get to the front. I was simply going by what has happened to our team members this year in our class. I would love to be out there racing and one my post I said I'm not racing because of health and cost reasons but it is mostly health. But I am getting better and if the DR. Says it's ok. Mabey I can come back some day.

[97car]

Just wondering but since the fan-count its self looks like it has been good.... Would it be advantageous at all for the track to run more often but with fewer classes... In other words you have 2 groups of 5 or 6 and alternate weeks racing everyone gets to race....

 

Group one. Modifieds,Trucks, Thunderstocks Mini's and Bando's... Naskarts run during intermission 15 laps w/ 5 lap dash...

 

Group two. TSRS, Sportmods, Street stocks, Grand stocks, and rotate Allison's or Dwarfs... Naskarts run during intermission 15 laps w/ 5 lap dash...

 

Group one alternates with the HMP schedule so that the Mods and Trucks and race at both if they wanted. If the track were to do something like this you can shorten the time of day you have to be at the track. Open at 4 for practice 10 min per class x 2... Practice ends at 6... Time Trial the top 2 classes starting at 7. 8 Lap heats for the rest. Features start at 8ish... 50 Laps for Mods and TSRS, 30 for Trucks Sportmods and Streetstocks, 20 for the rest except for Bando's and Naskarts... The hope is with added laps and shorter day more cars would be inclined to race in a given class and feel like they are getting their money's worth... Just an idea to pass along out there... Just depends on if the track were to want to run every week this would also solve some of the complaints like (too many classes, takes to long, some feeling like they are wasting a full day starting at 11-12 ect, not wanting to be in the heat of summer all day...ect) Anyhow its just a thought. Fire away.... LOL

 

I agree with this suggestion, make it a variety show instead of the same show. I like to run heats as well as watch them and the inverted field does make for a better show and for those that don't respect the other drivers they race against there are ways to correct that as well. Anything past a 3 hour show you start loosing interest in the stands. Make a different class the featured class each week with a added purse including the entry type classes since.

[Blue Moon Motorsports]

What I've never understood is when the car counts are down why the racers that do show up are the ones who get bitched out by promotors. That's never made any since to me.

 

For those racers that say they would come race for free or pay to race.....I have a 1/4 dirt track at my house feel free to come by next Sunday. No rules no flag man run what ya brung. I've got plenty of paved parking. There will be no officals and no tech. And no purse money. You can't complain about track conditions you have to run mufflers. I wonder how many cars I will get. I do have trophys but they mostly say gator motorplex and houston motorsports park. Btw I have no saftey crew or fire crew. Hope to see y'all there. Next Sunday. 12pm cordova road in seguin tx. Oh yea no wreckers, but I do have a tractor and a chain. Oh and no scorers we run the honor system for the running and finishing order. You are allowed to fist fight,but only if the other person is willing to do so. Concession will consist of milk apple juice and hi c and tap water.gates open at 10am racing at 12pm. Camping allowed the night before but make sure you close the gate so the horses don't get out cause I will probally be at I 37 or the casino. If your the first one there come knock on the door to make sure I'm up. SEE YA AT THE RACE. THIS IS NOT A JOKE I REALLY WANT TO SEE HOW MANY RACE CARS WE CAN GET. PM FOR ANY QUESTIONS

 

Did anyone come and race?

[TheCloser]

in my opinion the modified rule change will be a good thing

we're planning on bringing the old hog chassis out next year to run THR and HMP

 

And what rule change do you have in mind? I tried last year to get the rules evened up a bit for the 3 motor platforms and got blasted by some of the competitors. And as a result the racing hasnt changed much which doesnt give the out of state guys a reason to come run around here.

 

As much as I think the gulf coast rules would level the playing field, I doubt it will be adopted w/o adding a clause to give the 602 and 604 motor a significant advantage. Since the majority of mods both east and west of texas do NOT run a crate, it would be tough to attract them. jmo

 

well hopefully everybody realizes that what we have going now in the modifieds isn't working all that well for a consitantly large car count. i really hope this change helps

[Del Harris]

the internet is loaded with other successful tracks and why they are successful, it may be worth a look to see what they do to be so successful, i may have not been the best promoter is the racing industry for 4 1/2 years, but i did have after our 2nd season around 120 / 140 cars racing each week, our payout wasn't the best but, we only ran 5 / 6 classes each week and one of them was a visiting class, every class ran 3 weeks on and 1 week off, we were usally finished around 10:30 to 11:00 most of the time. i know that NO track wants to cut classes, but the more classes you create, the less car count you have in your normal classes. there are so many stock car classes now at several different tracks with hardly any track with the same rules that the fans can't even tell witch class is on the track, it would be different if tracks would work on their rules being more the same to work with other tracks, but they seem to think they can keep the cars at their track if they change the rules to their track only, compitition is what racing is all about. and if you work your race schedule with the other tracks, why wouldn't each track have a good car count, compitition is what you see in the resturant and other type's of business world now, one builds on one corner and their competitor don't like it because they might not get as much business, it's everywhere. in this troubled economy, we may have to make cut's that we normally would not do, but survival is in the best interest of staying in business. if it took cutting my class for a track to survive, i would build a car to fit some tracks rules because, i love racing and making the ones that want to watch racing excited about coming back, my fans !!! i love you all, del

[fastmontgomery15]

Just wondering but since the fan-count its self looks like it has been good.... Would it be advantageous at all for the track to run more often but with fewer classes... In other words you have 2 groups of 5 or 6 and alternate weeks racing everyone gets to race....

 

Group one. Modifieds,Trucks, Thunderstocks Mini's and Bando's... Naskarts run during intermission 15 laps w/ 5 lap dash...

 

Group two. TSRS, Sportmods, Street stocks, Grand stocks, and rotate Allison's or Dwarfs... Naskarts run during intermission 15 laps w/ 5 lap dash...

 

Group one alternates with the HMP schedule so that the Mods and Trucks and race at both if they wanted. If the track were to do something like this you can shorten the time of day you have to be at the track. Open at 4 for practice 10 min per class x 2... Practice ends at 6... Time Trial the top 2 classes starting at 7. 8 Lap heats for the rest. Features start at 8ish... 50 Laps for Mods and TSRS, 30 for Trucks Sportmods and Streetstocks, 20 for the rest except for Bando's and Naskarts... The hope is with added laps and shorter day more cars would be inclined to race in a given class and feel like they are getting their money's worth... Just an idea to pass along out there... Just depends on if the track were to want to run every week this would also solve some of the complaints like (too many classes, takes to long, some feeling like they are wasting a full day starting at 11-12 ect, not wanting to be in the heat of summer all day...ect) Anyhow its just a thought. Fire away.... LOL

 

I PROMISE YOU THIS YOU WILL LOSE YOUR FANS WHEN YOU START SPLITTING YOUR CLASSES UP LIKE THAT. YOU MARK MY WORDS!!!!

I agree with this suggestion, make it a variety show instead of the same show. I like to run heats as well as watch them and the inverted field does make for a better show and for those that don't respect the other drivers they race against there are ways to correct that as well. Anything past a 3 hour show you start loosing interest in the stands. Make a different class the featured class each week with a added purse including the entry type classes since.

[racer61]

in my opinion the modified rule change will be a good thing

we're planning on bringing the old hog chassis out next year to run THR and HMP

 

And what rule change do you have in mind? I tried last year to get the rules evened up a bit for the 3 motor platforms and got blasted by some of the competitors. And as a result the racing hasnt changed much which doesnt give the out of state guys a reason to come run around here.

 

As much as I think the gulf coast rules would level the playing field, I doubt it will be adopted w/o adding a clause to give the 602 and 604 motor a significant advantage. Since the majority of mods both east and west of texas do NOT run a crate, it would be tough to attract them. jmo

 

well hopefully everybody realizes that what we have going now in the modifieds isn't working all that well for a consitantly large car count. i really hope this change helps

Cody, I agree, but to change the rules in this particular class will come with alot of resistance. Alot of the succesful teams do not see any problem with the way things are except wanting more cars, and getting more cars is tough when the rules handicap other cars from farther away. Its a balance between keeping the locals, and still being able to attract more distant racers. I wish I had some great idea, but unfortunately there really isnt a common ground without adding more expense to either the racers or the facilities, and I believe everyone is against more spending.

[lilmodified]

just an observation: CC Speedway charges $25 pit pass. period. no parking, car or entry fees. and they pay $400 to win every week. and, it seems to work well for them...they've been around forever...

 

like i said...just an observation....

[lilmodified]

 

I'm trying really hard folks......Really I am....

 

i'm proud of u, reb...really i am...

[HiTech]

lol