Danielsen Motorsports Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Please keep in mind not trying to stir up anything but only be a possible solution for STS to consider. Rules change over time and most people go with the flow. Most people come to understanding why, may not agree but regardless everyone moves fwd. However with the recent cam change this effects all the cars running in pure stock at STS. This is very big because last year the pure stocks car counts were really good and consistant. This is a car count killer at least at the beginning of the season due to the schedule getting pushed up sooner. There is no time nor money left for teams to make changes emmidiately after the holidays. I dont think this is as big of an issue as the track may think it is to fix. Obviously it would be nice to have both classes run same rules 100% across the board. But in this case there are several things to consider. Neither group of cars at STS and SOS travel back and forth for local shows. In the event of a rain out when a track has been down for a couple races then maybe just for a driver to get a racing fix in. What I saw at SOS Halloween Havoc was awesome racing by both groups. I know there are other rule issues as well but none are as important as the cam rule change. In my opinion and this is only my opinion a single word can be changed and it will not hurt the two tracks working together nor effect the racers one bit. Remove the "and" and replace it with "or". Instead of having both vacuum and lift rule simply make them decide which one they want to go by. This change would also allow CBS cars to fit into your cam rules then. Now again they may only come for big shows but at least they have the option of coming. Several things, it would help your tech man out tremendously if a driver is going by vacuum and I would venture to say that would be the great deal of STS drivers. It would keep teams from pulling engines over the next 2 months and spending alot of money for very very little difference if any. Also you just made a couple dozen drivers very happy and worked with them on a specific issue they all feel is bad for their current class. If this is something you want to have done then maybe over the next year promote this change will be coming giving teams plenty of notice. The pure stock class is one of the areas best class and I do believe you will see that again come Decemeber regardless what the min. rule differences are. Just food for thought from someone that has made those type of decision before. Good luck and hope the tracks and drivers both are able to compromise with one another so we can have a great 2015 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Agree with everything you said Danielsen. We'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronco Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 A voice of reason.Great post Mr. Danielsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdogracing777 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Maybe it should have been these are the rules for 2016 you have all of 2015 to comply all cars will be DQed at first race 2016. Just saying that would have pretty much said it all! And it would have given all teams time same as 10" tire rule they gave every body a chance to use up what they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lg27 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Maybe it should have been these are the rules for 2016 you have all of 2015 to comply all cars will be DQed at first race 2016. Just saying that would have pretty much said it all! And it would have given all teams time same as 10" tire rule they gave every body a chance to use up what they had. Valid Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrod8771 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I was hoping all local tracks would move to South Texas Promotions Purestock rule package as I am putting car together by those rules but guess no luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Now that would be the smart thing to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJack Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 thats what my purestock is, i quess it will be good for shootout race and STP race and hope he schedules some more in the future. wasnt planning on racing it all the time, was going to let a friend and my daughter run it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrod8771 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Same here going to let friend learn when I wasn't driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebayouracing21 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Shady oaks and every other track runs around 450 lift i wonder if you ask them to change there rules would they i doubt it its not a big deal quit whinning and just change the cam I'm for it but my opinion don't matter all anybody does on here is whin bout something just get your car to fit the rules go race and have fun racing shouldn't be this big of a headache!!!! JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMY01 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I like the lift rule or vacuum rule. That would be great. Both tracks need to consider to help class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTxPromotions Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Not every track has a .450 lift. That is simply misinformation. Cotton bowl speedway has a vacuum only rule. Too much wrong info gets passed around way too easy. Btw who cares what pure stock do in houston. Are you aware pure stocks in houston can run a Victor 2v aluminum intake. This is what I run on my street stock that turns 8000 rpm. You really only should worry about the 3 tracks in the area. Anybody outside of that has other tracks a lot closer to them then sts, cbs, and SOS whom they would work w a lot easier then the above 3 tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJack Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 THERE IS MORE THAN A CAM RULE. WHO WANTS TO BUY ALL THESE CARS THAT DONT FIT BODY RULES ANYMORE BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH METAL TAKEN OUT OF PACKAGE TRAY AND REAR FLOOR BOARDS. MOST OF THE PURESTOCK DRIVERS WOULD NEED TO SELL OLD CAR TO BUILD NEW CAR AND FEB RACE SEASON IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. JMO MAYBE THESE RULES FOR 2016 THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO REBUILD OR CHANGE CLASSES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebayouracing21 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 SOS max lift 450 at vavle CBS is not purestock its stock cars totally different Sts vacuum rule and gm cam So what are you trying to get at here when's the last time a CBS car was at sts to me you're not making any sense your saying you don't want 450 lift when the track 1 hr away runs lift rule!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTxPromotions Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Cbs stock cars is simply a name. The 6p car and 32 car both ran at cbs, SOS and sts last year probably others too and fit within the rules just fine last year. The question should be asked how did they do that not telling people to stop whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 When was the last SOS car at STS on a non-big show night? Serious question, not trying to be a smart a$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTxPromotions Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 32 and believe 9 only two but of course this was prior to the tracks having a coordinated schedule. Not really enough to make 30ish sts change cams to be legal in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ks2290 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 32 car is mine and is local STS car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTxPromotions Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Prior to you owning it it was raced at all 3 tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 That's the question now, Will the same rules actually bring in out of town cars and how many? If it doesn't, then what? I know this is hypothetical but that's the dillemma facing the tracks now. Just have to see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTxPromotions Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Why are out of town cars so important in pure stocks? They were already strong at both tracks and Halloween havoc provided they are very close on the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I agree totally but I'm sure both tracks heard, I'd love if they work together, now they're hearing on one side, why are we having to change. Havoc was before the rule change too. The guys on their home tracks are tough to beat then you have the Houston guys that come down and do well too. In theory, now you put your own guys at a disadvantage at a big show or you alienate the out of towners if you run local rules only. How many guys will be changing cams 2-3 times a year? Again this is all theoretical and absolutely nothing personal towards anyone involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I agree totally but I'm sure both tracks heard, I'd love if they work together, now they're hearing on one side, why are we having to change. Havoc was before the rule change too. The guys on their home tracks are tough to beat then you have the Houston guys that come down and do well too. In theory, now you put your own guys at a disadvantage at a big show or you alienate the out of towners if you run local rules only. How many guys will be changing cams 2-3 times a year? Again this is all theoretical and absolutely nothing personal towards anyone involved. we will be running with tps .if we dont sell the 8 we would be running it at sts or planed on it in till now in our off weeks .but still run it at cc too keep it just local next year ..this just makes it easier to want to sell it ..not going to spend the money to change it .good luck guys .over and out of this deal. btw not mad with what the track wants to do hope it works out and they can keep the car count up .. .just lost the interest .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTxPromotions Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The tracks working together is very key but not necessarily does it mean identical rule sets. This Dec race I bet will be a good gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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