GINGERBREADMAN Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Budman ,you know your telling us your a member of, the ol;dude racing crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Was Gilmor driving the 43? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 REPLY TO GINGERBREADMAN: #43 - Not Cecil Elliot. # 3 - Not Billy Wade, M.J. Burton, nor Blackie Lothringer. You mention Billy Wade. He owned and drove car #2 in the photo, at Longhorn and at Meyers Speedway on S. Main in Houston in '61 and '62 as best I remember. He then sold the car to Bill White when he went to drive in Nascar. Billy was the team-mate of David Pearson with the Cotton Owens Team in '63 and '64. He was Nascar rookie-of-the-year in '63 and won 4 races in a row in '64. This was of course before his tragic crash at Daytona in January '65, while testing tires for Goodyear during their R&D of the inner-liner "tire within a tire" for super-speedways. Nascar seems to have always wanted to keep a lid on this story. Anyway, now when your favorite Nascar driver "cuts" a tire at 180+ and doesn't wreck, he owes a nod to Billy Wade. He paid THE BIG PRICE for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 REPLY TO GINGERBREADMAN: Beats the heck out of the alternative doesn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 REPLY TO PAPA: No, not Jack Gilmore. C'mon keep tryin'. It' not that tough a question for #43. The driver of car 3 will be the tough one. I will give a hint though. He's the grandfather of someone who's now pretty famous around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 REPLY TO ALL: Car #2 - - - (the rest of the story) The car was built in Houston in the late fifties I think. It was built by Tony Foyt for his son ..... some kid nobody ever heard of who went by the initials A.J., for when he was in town in Houston to drive at Meyers Speedway. By 1960 the kid was driving full time up in the midwest somewhere, so Tony sold the car to Billy Wade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivicic Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 I will take a stab in the dark and say Johnny Rutheford or Jim McElreth (spelling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 REPLY TO IVICIC: No not Johnny nor Jim, nor even Lloyd Ruby. They were all from up around the Dallas area. They never made it this far south that I know of. Good try though. Thanks for your interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty_rusty Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 just freaking tell us geeze.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Hey Nick, This old photo seems to have sparked a lot of interest. What's next? Vintage car racing? I hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 This old photo seems to have sparked a lot of interest. What's next? Vintage car racing? I hope not! I guess there are lots of us old greybeards still around draining the Social Security system dry. Nick Holt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott10 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 #11 is Buddy Jerkins, not Jergins. He's my Dad. #43 Johnny Doyle. #2 Billy Wade, #3 Blackie Lothringer. My Dad helped out guessing these drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott10 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 I think #43 might be Buddy Woodall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 REPLY TO SCOTT: Congrats - Your right on #43. Its JOHNNY DOYLE ! Regarding the driver of #3, I didn't know myself, had to ask around. Was finally told it was ED STARR. I know he drove at Speed-o-rama a few times. I indirectly confirmed this with his grandson DAVID STARR. But I'm not here to argue with anybody. If you say it was BLACKY LOTHRINGER, who better would know than your dad. Please give him my regards, and let him know he was one of the HEROS of my youth. I loved watching him and those other guys race every Friday night. As I said before, he was one of the most if not THE most popular driver with the fans. This has been a lot of fun. Hope all of you out there have had a little fun with it too. God bless all these drivers and their families, those that are still with us and those that aren't. Scott, e-mail me your info and I'll send you your prizes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97car Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 According to Jonny Doyle the #2 car is Bill White,and yes the 43 is Jonny and the very outside car is Buddy Jerkins,not sure of the middle car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 REPLY TO 97CAR: Yeah, its Jonny, Buddy and Bill for sure. Be sure to give him my regards. Thanks for your interest. Hasn't this been fun !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97car Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Yes,I wish we still had this type of cars around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Bill White, circa 1963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 OOPHS! Earlier in this forum I refered to Bill White's son as Mark. Wrong! It's PAUL of course. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmachine69 Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Buddy, Thank you for your recent donation of $100.00 to the Baptist Youth Ranch. On behalf of the children and staff we appreciate your generosity and will be putting these funds to good use. Thanks to all of those who participated in your contest, it made it fun for all. Again thanks for helping make a difference in the lives of children. God Bless you, Jean Nesser Baptist Youth Ranch, Case Manger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted September 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 An interesting little tidbit of trivia. If you look real close at the "action photo" at the top of page 1, at the #43 car, you will recognize that the rear deck was fashioned from a 55 gallon drum. and another ....................... Legend has it that the numeral 2 on the white 2 car was copied from the 2 used on a twenty dollar bill. Many of these cars raced for years. That's because the raced them, and raced them hard, but rarely wrecked them. The incident pictured on page one was a relatively rare occurance. The 11 car driven by Buddy Jerkins in the background of the pic was built in 1949. I've seen a picture of it being raced as #550 at Pan American as late as the early 70's I think, a span of more than 20 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertx Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I was thinking that Billy Wade drove the orange #53 in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertx Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Just looking at the picture the #43 has a hemi with 2 fours now thats racing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Did it look anything like this, supertx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 The pay was't very much back then but the pit pass was $1.00 and that is what it cost for the spectators to get in. I remember one night at the track in Round Rock behind the Star Club, the year was 1951 the car count was not great and I run fives races, won 2 and 2nd in the other three and got $25. Dick Peters won 3 and 2nd in the others and he got $25. Everyone didn't run all 5 races but they got $5.00 for each one they ran. There was no tire rule or racing fuel, the biggest expense was the Benzol that you bought at Grove drug store to add to the Ethyl gas. The fuel bill for a night was about $2.00 including the tow vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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