Pacecar Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 It was a nice gesture on the part of CTS to allow the Limited LM cars (former Nascar LMS cars; TSRS cars) to run with the more advanced 2750 lbs Pro Late Models. However, instead of giving weight breaks for the Limited LM cars, the CTS rules have imposed 225 lbs of penalties (100 lbs for non-ABC body; 125 lbs for steel head 2-bbl engine). Effectively, it will not be possible for any Limited LM cars to compete for an up-front finishing position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I agree that the weight penalty seems excessive, but why don't you put 10" tires on it and go see. That's still less than you had to weigh with TSRS isn't it? And, you will have at least 100 more hp than the crates. If the LMS and TSRS cars all run at the back you will have a good arguement for changing the penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacecar Posted January 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 The 2-bbl engine horsepower is about the same as the crate .... about 430 hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 You need to send your motors to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Maybe with the gears and higher rpm you can run with the open motor you can get the power you are needing. I may try my tsrs car at CTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulReyes Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 All we can do is try.... I just dont think mine will be ready for opening night. Just had my seat ordered. Just need a trailer after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termite#99 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 You have a late model with no way to get it to the track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulReyes Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 hahahha well when you put it that way..... im still waiting for a good deal. i have a trailer but this car is way wider so it doesnt fit. go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LavenderRacing3 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Load up the gear in a the car and just drive it to the track.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast18 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 There have been some good trailers listed in the classified section. You can also sell your "narrow" trailer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulReyes Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Lol. That would be awesome driving it to the track. Just kidding. But i saw some for sale i would like a used open with a tire rack. Been checking on race junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRacer9s Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Paul how wide is your trailer? I'm rebuilding the nova I bought from you and we are adding three cars to the fleet and need another trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulReyes Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I belieVe it's 79 or 80. I'll measure it again tomorrow. The wood that was on it rotted away from being parked for such a long time. You can take a look at it anytime. 2102961520. I do know its 16ft. The nova fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 And, you will have at least 100 more hp than the crates. Thats funny right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Cory, Don't you remember how bad ass those TSRS cars were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Cory, Don't you remember how bad ass those TSRS cars were? Oh I do. And Im fairly confident that the best (legal) TSRS motors cant compete with the 604 motors out there especially with a weight penalty. A 475 hp (approx) 2bbl motor against a 500+ hp 604 is a no brainer. And then add on top of that the two different suspension and steering types. landslide. I do believe there are a few TSRS cars that will be able to run with them. But a penalty on them is gonna do nothing but run them off. Im kinda curious if that is the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford27 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Oh I do. And Im fairly confident that the best (legal) TSRS motors cant compete with the 604 motors out there especially with a weight penalty. A 475 hp (approx) 2bbl motor against a 500+ hp 604 is a no brainer. And then add on top of that the two different suspension and steering types. landslide. I do believe there are a few TSRS cars that will be able to run with them. But a penalty on them is gonna do nothing but run them off. Im kinda curious if that is the idea. I cant speak for what thier idea was and at the risk of starting an argument I dont really want, I'll speculate what the thought might have been. I think the TSRS cars are extreamly outdated and should have gone away along time ago. The fact they could only run at one track contests to that and more than likely promoted to the dimise of late model racing in texas.Tracks reopened with rules like the entire rest of the country are using( for the most part) and have brought the class back up to date. CTS also wanted to adopt the rules so cars from other tracks could race there as well. Also I think it was a nice gesture for them to allow these obsoulete cars(TSRS) to race(note it will help thier car count as well) and not make these 15k+ cars worthless junk overnight. And speculating again...if you let them race and give them breaks to be competitive what incentive do they have to update thier cars to what everyone else is running.None. Atleast they went to the effort of giving you a place to run them untill you can update. If I was them I might have noted that those allowances were for 2013 and could be disallowed for 2014. Once again I'm not taking side but those directly involved sometimes cant see what the future really needs cause its at thier expense...just like my thunderstock was for me. P.S please dont place a bomb under my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ups88john Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I think someone needs to go test on one of the test days with a tsrs car that was a front running car and make an informed decision from facts not speculation. What kind of times did tsrs run on the f53? I think there was a few in the 15.20 range maybe faster but I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I think someone needs to go test on one of the test days with a tsrs car that was a front running car and make an informed decision from facts not speculation. What kind of times did tsrs run on the f53? I think there was a few in the 15.20 range maybe faster but I can't remember.I think the fast time was 15.20, maybe a bit faster. I ran a 15.50 on them. That was on 8" tires, now will be 10". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I cant speak for what thier idea was and at the risk of starting an argument I dont really want, I'll speculate what the thought might have been. I think the TSRS cars are extreamly outdated and should have gone away along time ago. The fact they could only run at one track contests to that and more than likely promoted to the dimise of late model racing in texas.Tracks reopened with rules like the entire rest of the country are using( for the most part) and have brought the class back up to date. CTS also wanted to adopt the rules so cars from other tracks could race there as well. Also I think it was a nice gesture for them to allow these obsoulete cars(TSRS) to race(note it will help thier car count as well) and not make these 15k+ cars worthless junk overnight. And speculating again...if you let them race and give them breaks to be competitive what incentive do they have to update thier cars to what everyone else is running.None. Atleast they went to the effort of giving you a place to run them untill you can update. If I was them I might have noted that those allowances were for 2013 and could be disallowed for 2014. Once again I'm not taking side but those directly involved sometimes cant see what the future really needs cause its at thier expense...just like my thunderstock was for me. P.S please dont place a bomb under my car. What makes a TSRS car (camaro clip) obsolete? The big chassis builders still sell them. By your standards, a year ago, pro late models were obsolete. NO tracks in Texas ran them until SAS reopened. They were a no show to THR and a no show for HMP. Also, the "nice" gesture is from CC Speedway. I think CTS realized they were not going to get enough pro lates so they combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ups88john Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 That's kinda what I thought mike but wasn't sure. I think between cts ccs and sas late model racing in Texas may be on the upswing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford27 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 What makes a TSRS car (camaro clip) obsolete? The big chassis builders still sell them. By your standards, a year ago, pro late models were obsolete. NO tracks in Texas ran them until SAS reopened. They were a no show to THR and a no show for HMP. Also, the "nice" gesture is from CC Speedway. I think CTS realized they were not going to get enough pro lates so they combined. Like I said, it was my opinion, your entitled to yours. I should know by now not to post anything on here. Good luck on your season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Like I said, it was my opinion, your entitled to yours. I should know by now not to post anything on here. Good luck on your season if you want to just post without a countering point of view, then sorry. Your "opinion" has negative effects on some people, so expect retort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford27 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Like I said, it was my opinion, your entitled to yours. I should know by now not to post anything on here. Good luck on your season if you want to just post without a countering point of view, then sorry. Your "opinion" has negative effects on some people, so expect retort. I didnt know my "opinion" carried so much weight within the racing community. I think its great they are running them together which I thought was my point. As far as your counter about the pro lates not showing at THR its probably because they couldnt run there, I know because I tried on several occasions. I was trying to show I supported CTS decision to allow tsrs to run this year, but now that I think about it, maybe it is time to just make the change like SAS did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I didnt know my "opinion" carried so much weight within the racing community. I think its great they are running them together which I thought was my point. As far as your counter about the pro lates not showing at THR its probably because they couldnt run there, I know because I tried on several occasions. I was trying to show I supported CTS decision to allow tsrs to run this year, but now that I think about it, maybe it is time to just make the change like SAS did. First, it doesn't, but nor does mine. Second, they DID run them at THR. I had one. I was 1 or 4 that showed, so they dropped them. So you kind of don't know. CTS did "make the change", thought better of it, and decided to combine. As far as SAS goes, they will draw enough pros to get a field together, including mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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