sandersracing Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I know the season just ended but before i go buy a second car, I would like to see a set of rules for the Thunders ans Suppers. think i am putting the sport mod off till 09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbinsSr Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 how about an IMCA sportmod class on asphalt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 that would be interesting but I think for it to work it would have to be a local class not a traveling series. It seems that the last rules got revised on 1-3-07. so it maybe after the first of the year. but do you really think they are going to make many changes or just incorporate a rules to allow the RR to keep running with them. from what i saw the class is pretty competive and if they leave it the way it is then it should promote the racing we saw this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbinsSr Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I wouldnt expect much to change. But it seams like they would work to combine the rules instead of keeping to the two seperate sets of rules. Just seams like it would be easier to tech. I vote for alowing all the thunderstocks to be fully gutted like the RR. I would also like to see headers alowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbinsSr Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Anybody else have opions on what thy would like to see change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Do away with camber rule for the Grand Stocks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Fitch.. Why do away with the camber rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 The camber rule is one of the keys to the Grand Stock rules. It prevents teams from "re-engineering" their suspensions with cleverly disguised frame alterations and "stock appearing" replacement parts. As it is, some of the teams are already having "shop wrecks" where the bump steer problems are partially addressed by pulling the frame in the desired directions. Allowing camber modifications would be step in the wrong direction, IMHO. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I kinda agree with you nick.. this is quickly becoming the pure stocks of yester year... I think another thing that needs to be addressed is the HP vs. Weight stuff.. Is having a police intercepter w/ Fuel injection even though it meets the rules fair to someone running the Street version 350? Rumor has it these cars can make more HP with chips and such... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 My understanding is that more camber would help with tire wear. We are only allowed one inch and that sure eats up a lot of tires. I sure saw a lot of guys go through a bunch of tires this year. Aaron, I agree with you about the intercepters w/ fuel injection. I have never thought that was fair. Talk about putting on a better race show. I don't think anyone likes to see one car soooo far ahead of everyone else, even if it legal it does not promote better racing. I have heard the guys say they don't have the chip, but I don't know that I am completely convinced on that. What do you other Grandstock drivers think about the camber rule and also the intercepters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbinsSr Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 why not try to get the grand stock cars to join the thunderstocks and start over with the grandstock class simular to texas twister class, a 4cyl, fwd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I think the class is fine how it is with just a little tweaking. We run this class because it is affordable and you don't have to worry so much about making adjustments or expensive upgrades to the motor (because you can't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfat Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Did I hear Mary Ann say that this class wasn't a beginners class at the last Driver's Meeting???? Just a fun affordable class, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Thats what i heard too... I think we really need to get the Claim rule in play to put that stuff in check... Claims are supposed to hold some of those things at bay.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I think she was referring to the drivers, not the cars. There were some complaints that "ringers" like Mark Chrudimsky were not "beginners" and Mary Ann addressed those concerns. Face it. Mark Chrudimsky could probably outrun the grand stocks driving a big, brown UPS truck. That guy is a driver's driver! The kiss of death for any "stock" class comes when the rules are relaxed to accomodate those with a "better" idea. "Put a cage in it and run it like that" (with the appropriate safety features, of course) is the key to a pure stock class. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I was referring to the intercepters w/fuel injectors that seem to run away with race winning 3 or so car lengths ahead of the field. BOORING. Nick, In your opinion, if it is completely a stock class (which we are) what can you do for better performance. The only thing we have to work with is air pressure, tow, caster and camber. We have completely stock springs, shocks and motor. Any suggestions? I am new to this and trying hard to understand all the aspects, Richard and Johnny are always looking for ways to improve the set up. In fact, we were thinking about your seminar in January, I just don't know how much it would help in this class since there isn't much we can do to the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfat Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I was just wondering, that if it's not a beginner's class, how come they don't have a R O T Y? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 We were told by Mary Ann that they did do ROTY. She told Johnny that as long as he didn't race more than 2 races this year that he would be eligible next year. Also Art Ganss said she told him they do have it in the Grand stocks but nothing was ever noted with an ® on the points list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Nick, In your opinion, if it is completely a stock class (which we are) what can you do for better performance. The only thing we have to work with is air pressure, tow, caster and camber. We have completely stock springs, shocks and motor. Any suggestions? I am new to this and trying hard to understand all the aspects, Richard and Johnny are always looking for ways to improve the set up. In fact, we were thinking about your seminar in January, I just don't know how much it would help in this class since there isn't much we can do to the car. There are things that you can do, but if I tell ya I'd have to kill ya... LOL Actually, there are some basic weight things that most drivers overlook in that division. In class we spend a good part of the first two sessions on weight and weight transfer as part of the "Long Legs" approach to suspension engineering. Weight priciples apply to any class at any level - even go karts! There are also some gains to be found in roll center locations depending on what you can do (or not do) with your spindles/ball joints. Of course, air pressure and tire size are important in any class, especially Grand Stocks included where other adjustments are either very limited or non-existant. If you do decide to take the seminar, bring your thinking cap! I give homework assignments too. The geometry stuff is very important, but you guys can't really do much about that. But the good thing is that if you learn it now, you won't have to learn it after you move up a class or two... Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Is there a fee for the class and how many session and how long are each session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hopefully the Kyle Suspension Seminar flyer should answer your questions. Kyle Suspension Seminar flyer The seminar lasts for 5 weeks - every Thursday evening starting on January 17th thru February 14th. The classes run from 7:00 p.m. until around 10:00 p.m. There is a $300 registration fee. If the crew chief is half price if he attends with the driver. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfat Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 So we'll be in class on Valentine's Day????? That's icing on the cake don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt5858 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Have you heard the story of the Grand Stock race, when the police interceptors were settin the pace....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 So we'll be in class on Valentine's Day????? That's icing on the cake don't ya think? That last night (Feb 14) Chris and Gary Swenson will have the floor for an hour, or so. Shocks are a BIG part of suspension engineering these days and the Swensons know their stuff. If you think you'll be missing your sweetheart too much that night, Jody Wayne, we can have some mirrors set up for ya. LOL Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 i heard he was going to declare me his twin so i could take his place that night ...... no big i wont except that ..but thanks anyway ..most poeple would probably love to be your twin ..but hell i have my own life to control ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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