gundogC3 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) 1st time winner's ROBERT WALTON 2 WIN'S 305 SHAWN PAUL LEHMAN 2 WIN'S CRATE CRAIG ROPER 1 WIN CRATE STEVE GREEN 1 WIN CRATE KEITH PATRICK 1 WIN CRATE BUD CARROLL 1 WIN CRATE CRATE'S 6 WIN'S 305'S 5 WIN'S BRYAN MERIDETH 2 WIN'S 305 JON DENHAM 1 WIN 305 ALL THREE 305'S HAVE A DIFFERENT ENGINE BUILDER. Edited November 2, 2005 by GUNDOG33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) Interesting stuff Gunnar. I figured that the crates had a slight advantage. I still think they may have a slight edge in qualifying, but apparently the field is pretty even on the track. BTW, which crate motor is legal for ARTS competition? I check the rule book, but it doesn't list it. Edited November 2, 2005 by ss99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waco Racer Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I believe that it is that same one as the Houston Late Models GM 350 cu. in., 350HP. sealed crate engine part # 88958602 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 why would they have an advantage in qualifying? i thought hmp late models ran the 400? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 why would they have an advantage in qualifying? i thought hmp late models ran the 400? Maybe I should have stated that better. I think the crates have an advantage over the 305, and it is most apparent in qualifying. However, during a race, things often happen that negate whatever slight horsepower advantage one truck may have over another. You can tell us better than anyone else who has posted thus far. When your racing side by side or nose to tail with a 305, does the 350 seem to pull better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jont66 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 The houston late models run the same motor as the Trucks. The lowest HP CT Crate Engine. When the correct springs, etc are run on the crates, they are equal with the best 305's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 The houston late models run the same motor as the Trucks. The lowest HP CT Crate Engine. When the correct springs, etc are run on the crates, they are equal with the best 305's! OK, I'll bite, because I've read those claims before on here but have never been convinced. Assuming that we're talking about a legal 305 here, both motors have stock cranks, stock rods, and cast flat-tops. The 305 has a very mild cam and low-performance heads. The 350 has better heads by far but less compression. Seems like either the "best" 305s are bending the rules quite a bit or they in fact are at a disadvantage to the 350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcellracing Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Chase, there is no disadvantage to being able to hand pick your own parts. Example , buy 5 sets of pistons find the lightest one and machine the rest to that, same with rods and pistons and so on. so you can see with the right budget your 305 can actually accelerate better than the guy who bought a set that the lightest piston in his set is 10 grams hevier thats 80grams at the top of the motor and so on. i dont believe that the crates are hand picked and then machined to tolerences, more like picked out of a bucket and then installed. I cant wait till next year and i can have an engine built .Besides the trucks are based on keeping speed thruogh the corners not acceleration off the corner, in my opinion it is a momentum thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 it is definetley momentum- like rusty said the 305's are machined and have alot more low end torque....you have to keep momentum with both- but the crate will punish you awful if you fail to. set up is more key in this series than horsepower. it's like running a plate at every track, even corpus.....jon is the guy who could probably answer any of the questions on advantage to disadvantage......but gunnar has shown , it's pretty equal......and that's what makes the trucks- THE TRUCKS. now tell terry d. to bring on the elephant and put the midget in the cannon because the circus is coming to town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txtom Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 bring on the elephant and put the midget in the cannon because the circus is coming to town. LMAO! Dang, Horse, you kill me sometimes with the sayings you come up with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jont66 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 SS99 There's more to it than just throwing stock parts , into a 305, and making it run. We have over 5 years of R&D in our motor, making it one of the best 305's out there. There's cam timing, good balancing, correct compression, correct heads, and the correct person putting all of this together. Just like a restrictor plate motor, we are looking for 1 hp here and there, not 20-30. 305's also run more valve spring than the 350's are supposed to, not to mention more compression, and I think the camshaft is a little larger. There's also differnet "types" of pistons to use in the 305, it's not just cut and dry throw some parts together and run. It also takes someone to drive these trucks, they aren't your normal race car. It better be handling, and you had better be on the gas most of the time. (unless your in the air upside down) BTW - FEEL FREE TO COME LOOK AT MY ENGINE ANYTIME, IT HANGS WITH THE CRATES, AND IT'S LEGAL AS IT GETS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt15 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 I feel like there is an advantage with the crate engine. I raced behind one in san antonio and kyle and it felt like the crates get off maybe close to the same as a 305 but they run harder it felt like down the straitaway. Im sure all the guys with the crate engines will argue this but until they get a 305 or 302 they really dont know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundogC3 Posted November 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 My point exactly, driver,set up, thats the key to the truck's. My truck has never been whipped down the straightaway by a crate, we just need to get it to turn better. AND when it is turning we have run right there with em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcellracing Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 lol Crazy, cant wait to beat that crate in sa , actually its not you its robert(305) and kieth(350) i need to beat, gonna be a good race for second, all you have to do is start, so good luck bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arts22 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Rusty if the money is right we'll push you around the track......lol...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcellracing Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Shane, ok how much? i need to win one of the points races in SA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Rusty I got one request in the mornings can you drive a little faster your making me late to work when I have to follow you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundogC3 Posted November 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 AND TO THINK, Rusty you say i drive slow.thehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KELLY83 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Just curious.... Anyone take a 305 or 302 long block (intake to pan) and compare it to the weight of a 350 crate long block (intake to pan)? Might be interesting to see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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