cooter48c Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Maybe someone can explain the I.M.C.A. point system to me! As I understand it, they're no points award for running heat races, and the starting position for the main is by points. So i guess one question is why do you run the heat race, and is the starting position for that race based points as well? If you can't improve on your points position by running a heat race, what is the point? Don't get me wrong, I have no problem running a heat race, to determine where you start a feature. I am just trying to figure out how it all works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Well from what I understand the only thing going IMCA is Sportsmods and Modifieds at SOS.So maybe the rest of the classes may be different.As for the points first night is done by a draw.Second night on is average points which are earned in the A-Mains.Average points are points divided by number of races run at SOS. So those who raced the first night will have the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter48c Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 all classes are running same points system to make it less work on those that have to do the scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Good point . Then all from now on on heat races should be lined up according to Race Procedures on IMCA.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm002 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Line up by points average for the heats. Then for the feature depending on how many cars are there they invert up to 12th place based on your points. Basically if I read it correct you run your heat to run towards the front of the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter48c Posted March 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Line up by points average for the heats. Then for the feature depending on how many cars are there they invert up to 12th place based on your points. Basically if I read it correct you run your heat to run towards the front of the fieldI read it as starting the heat inverted as well, I think that what's confusing me, and depending on how many heats are run, is how many get inverted in feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claybuster Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Surely, there has to be a reason to run heat races. If not draw a number at the gate, run the races. Then crack open the cooler and start telling lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtrigg Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Go to IMCA.com and read rules about line up procedures. Â Basically if you have a full field of cars(20 plus), you have to run top 4 in your heat to earn starting spot based on point average for the main.. 5th on back in heat will start behind the top 12 qualified cars for the main. The top 12 are inverted by point average, so highest point average car that qualifies through heat will start 12th at best, lowest will start on pole. This is a very fair system that produces quality racing throughout the field. Hope that helped and I didn't confuse it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtrigg Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 A visiting car without point average can also qualify through heat if runs top 4. Will start behind cars with averages that also transferred from heats, so 6th row if full field. Â Also, there is no advantage to winning heat vs. 4th except for bragging rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm002 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 I like it myself. Of course I will get the crappy end of the deal cause my job prevents me from making it to every race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosrs Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Thank you to everyone who helped to explain this points system. IMCA General rules has the points explanation if you want to read them. The heats are important and should you not be able to start the feature then you get 11 points for having raced the heat. Other things that will determine the points are races missed and car count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaerRacing00 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 A visiting car without point average can also qualify through heat if runs top 4. Will start behind cars with averages that also transferred from heats, so 6th row if full field. Â Also, there is no advantage to winning heat vs. 4th except for bragging rights. So you are saying that if you have not ran at sos this year and have no points the best starting position for feature is 12th in back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter48c Posted March 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Â A visiting car without point average can also qualify through heat if runs top 4. Will start behind cars with averages that also transferred from heats, so 6th row if full field. Â Also, there is no advantage to winning heat vs. 4th except for bragging rights. So you are saying that if you have not ran at sos this year and have no points the best starting position for feature is 12th in back? Â I believe you are correct, gotta bank up some points, but not to many or you'll always be starting mid-field. Luck of the draw is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaerRacing00 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 I could see that to like up for heat... So whyv run a heats...just like up feature and run 20 laps....and top 4 can draw...this really suxs for those that can't be there every weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtrigg Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Missing a week doesn't hurt you because it is based on point averages. If you were not there, that is not included in the average. There is a situation where if you miss multiple consecutive nights then you lose your average and start over. I don't remember how many nights, been a while since I was an IMCA racer. Â The only issue I had with this system was guys would purposely fall out of features to kill their average early in the year and they would stay near the front of feature line up all year. That may have been addressed by now but it was a real issue for a long time. Â It's a decent weekly system that produces good competition and better show for fans in my opinion. The IMCA big show qualifying procedure SUX BAD. Short heat races with to many cars and only the winner transfers out of heat race. Lots of torn up cars as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Walker Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 If you miss 2 consecutive nights, you start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texana55 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Should be fun. If you're a fast car with high point average, you get to practice your skills with passing cars. Patience with passing makes for increased driving skills and makes a good show for the fans. I see what Mike is saying though for a big show making for torn up cars, but for the weekly show where you know the other drivers, how their car handles and their ability, it will make for a good weekly show for fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaerRacing00 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 But it suxs for those they may only be able to race once a month or every other month...they will always start 12th or worse....doesn't seen right? Especially if it all means nothing in long run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter48c Posted March 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 looking forward to some good racing, and improving on my skill's LOL. Seriously I don't care how they score us, as long as we're racing its goooooood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Walker Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 The magic number is not always 12. It depends on the number of heat races and that depends on the number of cars. Someone that qualifies but has no point average could start anywhere from 8th to 12th. It's better than starting in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtrigg Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 As stated above, lots of recipes for this cake. The scenario changes based on car count. That is why I just spoke to full field of cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaerRacing00 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 The magic number is not always 12. It depends on the number of heat races and that depends on the number of cars. Someone that qualifies but has no point average could start anywhere from 8th to 12th. It's better than starting in the back. Understand so what's the purpose of heat races for cars that can't make it on a regular night...well I guess this is a way to get cars to show upn or not show up at all...sounds like a not so good plan especially if you are only being represented locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Walker Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 The heat races set the starting line ups for the features. It's thatsimple. If you finish in a qualifying spot, you start in the front half of the field. If you don't qual in the heat, you line up by finishing order from the heats behind the qualified cars. It's act the fairest system I have ever been around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaerRacing00 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Yes it sounds fair to people that can race a points system...agree... So I line up in heat and win my heat race and if I'm a car that has missed 2 consecutive nights I will still start behind all the people I passed in the heat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Walker Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Not all of the. Just the qualified cars. Unless one or more of them is in the same boat you are. The rest start behind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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