abrungot Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Ummm Mini Stock... How do you test the chip then? They all have their issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Ummm Mini Stock... How do you test the chip then? They all have their issues. You test them with a chip tester. I'm kinda fond of Mr. Pringles myself, but there are a lot of Lays Original Chips fans out there. And I volunteer to be the first chip tester since I have a lot of experience testing chips. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looneedude Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Ummm Mini Stock... How do you test the chip then? They all have their issues. You test them with a chip tester. I'm kinda fond of Mr. Pringles myself, but there are a lot of Lays Original Chips fans out there. And I volunteer to be the first chip tester since I have a lot of experience testing chips. Nick Hey nick is cheat tos a chip? Ummm canyon lake or comal? That's the real question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hey nick is cheat tos a chip? Ummm canyon lake or comal? That's the real question Lynn, we don't allow no CHEAT tos. we only allow LEGAL tos. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barker Racing7 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Mr. Pollaro, I am sorry if I spelled your name wrong, I didn't mean to offend you, but I consider Chris Brandes and Robert Barker very good friends of mine and have known them for many, many years. and I did not think they would mind me using them as an example. Sorry if I offended anyone, but you brought me into this in your above post. Both those carbs. were freshened last year and from what I recall the epoxy in question was not an issue back then. Greg Spreen It sure would have been nice to know when the epoxy became an issue. Could have avoided a major controversy for the track officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boernebullet Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Robert, The carburetor that was on your car saturday night was not my carburetor. I know Dan from VDL and I am sure he had no intentions of causing you or others an issue in tech. As I know he also works very close with Jack to make sure his carbs. pass tech. Sincerely, Greg Spreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boernebullet Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 On another note, we have an approved method per Jack from THR this week of removing the epoxy off the boosters, we have already done a few this week with no problems. Greg Spreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacecar Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I wonder if THR will issue a bulletin on the approved method for removing the epoxy. Otherwise, some racers will try to use Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK), or acetone, or xylene.... along with some form of heat to soften the epoxy. Some of these chemicals are very dangerous to breathe and absorb in your skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPPYHIPPY Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 On another note, we have an approved method per Jack from THR this week of removing the epoxy off the boosters, we have already done a few this week with no problems. Greg Spreen Well........oh never mind !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 On another note, we have an approved method per Jack from THR this week of removing the epoxy off the boosters, we have already done a few this week with no problems. Greg Spreen What's the cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boernebullet Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 "Well........oh never mind !!!! " If you need my help please feel free to call me as many others have already done. Greg Spreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Just curious, but do the rules for TSRS say no epoxy? I havent read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 On another note, we have an approved method per Jack from THR this week of removing the epoxy off the boosters, we have already done a few this week with no problems. Greg Spreen Can I recommend you get something in writing from Jack or THR so those that have the epoxy removed will have some assurance it will be approved next week, next year, or in the future. Not stirring the pot, just skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boernebullet Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Hey Rusty you want to help me put the epoxy back on the carbs.? I have cheat os ( all you can eat) I might even throw in a coke and a smile. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Greg, That one went over my head. You might have to translate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boernebullet Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Carburetor must be TSRS approved and conform to all TSRS Inspection tools manufactured by Tech Chec. · Either a box stock Holly Model 4412 - 500 CFM or the box stock 350 CFM model 7448 carburetor is allowed with the following exceptions: § Only the following changes to the carburetors are permitted (applies to both the 4412 and 7448): o The choke butterfly and shaft may be removed o The power valve and the jets may be changed; the power valve must be functional. o The butterflies may be drilled with one hole no larger than 3/16-inch diameter · The throttle shaft must remain stock with no thinning or cutting in any manner · The main body and metering block may not be reworked in any way § They must remain box stock. · The amount of holes and their location must remain as manufactured · Additional holes and passages will not be permitted · Additional screw-in pressed in bleed holes in the main body or metering block will not be permitted. · Booster type may not be changed. § Booster size and shape must not be altered. § Height and location of the booster must remain as manufactured. Epoxy may be used to secure booster. o A carburetor spacer of not more than 1.250-inch, including gaskets, is allowed for as spacing between the carburetor base and the manifold surface · The holes in the spacer must be the same dimensions from top to bottom of opening (no tapered hole spacers) o A cool air box may be installed to pick up outside air at the cowl · Funnel and ram air devices are not allowed Rusty New Rules as of Tonight is Epoxy may be used to secure boosters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPPYHIPPY Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Carburetor must be TSRS approved and conform to all TSRS Inspection tools manufactured by Tech Chec. · Either a box stock Holly Model 4412 - 500 CFM or the box stock 350 CFM model 7448 carburetor is allowed with the following exceptions: § Only the following changes to the carburetors are permitted (applies to both the 4412 and 7448): o The choke butterfly and shaft may be removed o The power valve and the jets may be changed; the power valve must be functional. o The butterflies may be drilled with one hole no larger than 3/16-inch diameter · The throttle shaft must remain stock with no thinning or cutting in any manner · The main body and metering block may not be reworked in any way § They must remain box stock. · The amount of holes and their location must remain as manufactured · Additional holes and passages will not be permitted · Additional screw-in pressed in bleed holes in the main body or metering block will not be permitted. · Booster type may not be changed. § Booster size and shape must not be altered. § Height and location of the booster must remain as manufactured. Epoxy may be used to secure booster. o A carburetor spacer of not more than 1.250-inch, including gaskets, is allowed for as spacing between the carburetor base and the manifold surface · The holes in the spacer must be the same dimensions from top to bottom of opening (no tapered hole spacers) o A cool air box may be installed to pick up outside air at the cowl · Funnel and ram air devices are not allowed Rusty New Rules as of Tonight is Epoxy may be used to secure boosters So they DQ us for EPOXYed Boosters (KILL our Points ) And then allow us to run the same DQed carb the next race......I have absolutley NOOOOOOOOO .....Nothing..... I can't ...why even....just....never ever seen anything like this ever!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Greg, Did THR just issue that? If so, what are they going to do about Sat nite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boernebullet Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Rusty, NASCAR TSRS Late Models 1. 2 Bobby Teer Jr. Comfort, TX 35 laps QT 15.775 2. 9 John Hernandez San Antonio, TX 35 laps DNQ 3. 3 Mike Reininger San Antonio, TX 35 laps 16.052 Post-Qualifying TI 4. 69 Michael Pollaro Floresville, TX 35 laps QT 16.875 5. 192 Jason Stanley San Antonio, TX 35 laps QT 16.013 TI – Over on left side weight 6. 96 Robert Barker Boerne, TX 35 laps QT 15.841 TI – Carburetor 7. 1 Nick Cole Lockhart, TX 35 laps QT 16.187 TI – Carburetor 8. 07 Austin Self Austin, TX 35 laps QT 15.860 TI – Carburetor 9. 92 Taylor Brandes Garden Ridge, TX 35 laps QT 16.129 TI – Carburetor 10. 28 Jeff O’Neill Round Rock, TX 35 laps DNQ TI – Carburetor UMMM Yeah these are the results from saturday night 6-4-2011 Quote Zippyhippy ......"I have absolutley NOOOOOOOOO .....Nothing..... I can't ...why even....just....never ever seen anything like this ever!!!!!" Me either!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm laughing, but I really don't know why?????? Maybe because all my pent up frustrations and feelings have been validated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direct-flo Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Height and location of the booster must remain as manufactured. Limited epoxy may be used to secure booster. I saw the word "limited" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looneedude Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 To quote the "old man" from pawn stars. "Oohhh my god" What the that's way worse than ricky brookes could have ever done. My jaw will still be on the floor tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPPYHIPPY Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Height and location of the booster must remain as manufactured. Limited epoxy may be used to secure booster. I saw the word "limited" This was the original Revised Rule listed below then 53 minutes later those were Revised to Limited Epoxy was added and box stock was removed REVISION TO TSRS 2011 LATE MODELS TECHNICAL RULES & REGULATIONS, PAGE 6: CARBURETOR (Option 1 Only) Ø Carburetor must be TSRS approved and conform to all TSRS Inspection tools manufactured by Tech Chec. · Either a box stock Holly Model 4412 - 500 CFM or the box stock 350 CFM model 7448 carburetor is allowed with the following exceptions: § Only the following changes to the carburetors are permitted (applies to both the 4412 and 7448): o The choke butterfly and shaft may be removed o The power valve and the jets may be changed; the power valve must be functional. o The butterflies may be drilled with one hole no larger than 3/16-inch diameter · The throttle shaft must remain stock with no thinning or cutting in any manner · The main body and metering block may not be reworked in any way § They must remain box stock. · The amount of holes and their location must remain as manufactured · Additional holes and passages will not be permitted · Additional screw-in pressed in bleed holes in the main body or metering block will not be permitted. · Booster type may not be changed. § Booster size and shape must not be altered. § Height and location of the booster must remain as manufactured. Epoxy may be used to secure booster. o A carburetor spacer of not more than 1.250-inch, including gaskets, is allowed for as spacing between the carburetor base and the manifold surface · The holes in the spacer must be the same dimensions from top to bottom of opening (no tapered hole spacers) o A cool air box may be installed to pick up outside air at the cowl · Funnel and ram air devices are not allowed On the crate engines, TSRS will use the same carburetor rule as HMP, as follows: 4. CARBURETOR Holley 650 CFM 4150 HP carburetor, part number 80541-1, “box-stock”, is mandated. Carburetor must be securely fastened to the intake manifold and include one (1) .0625-inch (1/16”) or smaller flange gasket. Drop-in spacers, alteration, physical changes, machining, re-shaping or tampering with any part of the original parts, internal or external, is prohibited. Exception: Only the General Motors 604 crate engine is permitted any one-inch (1) tall aluminum spacer and may be tapered. Spacers on all Ford engines are not permitted. Aluminum spacers are subject to inspection by Tech Director. Following is a listing of tuning and replacement parts permitted for use on the Holley 4150 HP Carburetor. Only genuine Holley replacement parts are permitted and must match exactly parts replaced. • Jets • Bleeds • Needle and Seat • Emulsion bleeds • Power Valves • Accelerator pump cam • Floats include all offered by Holley for the HP 4150 650 CFM Carburetor. • Floats may be modified/angle cut. • Accelerator pump nozzles NOTE 1: The use of any type Epoxy on the Holley 650 CFM 4150 HP carburetor, part number 80541-1 is strictly prohibited. NOTE 2: Coating of any type, or the use of coatings on the Holley 650 CFM 4150 HP carburetor, part number 80541-1 is strictly prohibited. Tech Director reserves the right to impound or confiscate any carburetor at any time during or after an event. Failure to comply with this will subject the driver to disqualification from the event. NO TOLERANCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolliepollie Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 A penny for your thoughts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looneedude Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 A penny for your thoughts!!! Id be willing to pay buck fifty. If I was granted that wish. Gerald you do realize these post are time marked and your violating you curfew? It is after 12am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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