uhcougs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 whats up with the accusations CSR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE44 Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty_rusty Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 when will results and times be posted on mylaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty_rusty Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 CSR, I would have to agree with if the track announcer was saying that the 00 was the fastest car. The lap times on mylaps.com tell a different story. Sounds like they have the Danica Patrick syndrome (by the way I am a Danica fan so I am not knocking her, well... I would if I could, but not the type of knocking I was talking about before. OH NEVER MIND!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonSenseRacing Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 whats up with the accusations CSR? I don’t know if I would call them accusations, I’m stating what I saw. I admit I could be wrong, that’s why I was looking for other people who were at the track Saturday to give their opinions. These are the incidents that I saw, I would like other people to verify or negate my statements, either way is fine by me. Modifieds: The number 7 car causing four separate incidents that brought out the yellow flag and he never received the black flag. 1. I don’t remember the number of the first car that was sent to the back of the field for spinning the number 7, but what I saw was the 7 practically stop in the middle of turns 1-2 and the guy in second place doing everything he could to slow his car down. I’ve seen plenty of people drive through the guy in front of them, this was not one of those times. JMO 2. The 3X car, came through the field fairly cleanly and then as soon as he made it to 2nd place decides to dump the leader, just doesn’t make sense to me. 3. The 28 car got under the 7 in turns 3-4, the 7 car chopped down and cut the right front of the 28 car giving him a flat. 4. Last the 04, which from what I understand was the points leader gets under the 7 coming out of turn 2 and gets wrecked by the 7. Still no black flag for the 7, the 04 hits the 7 and give him a flat, then the 04 gets the black flag. I disagree with what the 04 did and I would have black-flagged him too, but I definitely understand why he did it. Pro Late Models: 1. Start of the race, green flag waves then the caution lights start flashing, half the field slows the other half keeps racing. I understand things happen, but the race should have been restarted, announce HMP had a problem with the lights, I believe everyone would understand, Sh*t happens, but the track just let them keep racing. 2. Then the 02 passed the 00, crossed the start/finish then a yellow came out for the 000 spinning. In my opinion the 02 was the recorded leader for the previous lap and should have been race leader for the restart. 3. As for the incident with the 11 and 000, someone stated that there was a deal made between them, but apparently the driver in the 11 didn’t know about it or didn’t care. 4. The 02 may have been holding the 11 and 000 up, but he was racing for position and I never saw the 000 attempt to pass him. Last time I checked passing was part of racing, not I run a fast lap time so you should move out of my way, because if I try to pass you on the outside I might loose my position. If your faster then the car in front of you, PASS HIM, if you can’t then you finish behind him. 5. Last in the closing laps the announcer stated that the 00 was the fastest car on the track, yet the 11 car caught her and passed her. So, how was she the fastest car on the track? I understand you can’t make everyone happy, I don’t think HMP should even try, just be fair and consistent. They have a very difficult and thankless job operating a racetrack, but what I saw Saturday in my opinion was blatant favoritism towards certain driver/teams. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 This has got nothing to do with Saturday night at HMP, but Bandit, you being a Danica fan and all, well .......................... >>>>>>>>>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khoneycutt Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 CSR- No one that I know, especially the 000 team wants people to move out of his way. If you have ever raced at HMP it takes the right time and the right place to pass, which basically means you have to set them up and get a run through and off the corner(backing up a little). The 000 spotter asked the 11 car spotter for a little room to try a pass since the 11 car had his nose underneath him and banging the 000 even under cautions. They were close enough together to freight train him anyway. The 000 could have easily used the nose of his car like other drivers do in this class, not mentioning names, to make a pass, but he was trying to do it the right way without tearing his car up and others in the process. That is called respect for other drivers on the track! I understand the fastest car does not always win, so don't come back with that. This is a totally separate issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Im gunna retract my post because I feel like we're beating a dead horse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Buddy, I like that picture! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonSenseRacing Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Like I said, I could be wrong and if I'm the only person who saw this on Saturday night, it must just be me!! Oh and Bandit, we both must be delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Only thing yall agreed on was the comment about the announcer, and I'm not disagreeing because I didn't hear him... but he may have been just saying that for excitement. I highly doubt the announcer is watching the computer, and for 1 lap, 1 lap, the 00 may have been faster and the then 11 crushed that lap time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonSenseRacing Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Only thing yall agreed on was the comment about the announcer, and I'm not disagreeing because I didn't hear him... but he may have been just saying that for excitement. I highly doubt the announcer is watching the computer, and for 1 lap, 1 lap, the 00 may have been faster and the then 11 crushed that lap time... That and the flashing yellow lights, but forget about the pro late model race, do you honestly think that the #7 car didn't deserve the black flag? And that he didn't wreck the 04 car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 I don't know about the yellow lights, asked around and no one saw anything... Doesnt mean it didn't happen? Do I think the 7 took a cheap shot on the 04?I didn't really see what happened clearly enough to give you an answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Didn't see the yellow lights? I hope your not on the track. Oh and Budman, thanks for the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tqj3 Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Budman, have you got some kind of secret stash of an unlimited number of photos of Danica? If so, have you got anybody else? See you at the track, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonSenseRacing Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 I don't know about the yellow lights, asked around and no one saw anything... Doesnt mean it didn't happen? Do I think the 7 took a cheap shot on the 04?I didn't really see what happened clearly enough to give you an answer... With answers like that, you have a great career ahead of you as an official or politican. lol All I know is when I posted in this forum on July 31 it had been view by 300 people, now it's over 1450. Hope we are entertaining everyone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 TQ, What can I say? Damn it, she just keeps sending them to me. (she likes older men, you know. We're so much more sophisticated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racegirl Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 There is no favortisim on part of the scoring, I do not know either driver, team or crew. The computer is set, when the caution comes out, it gives me a line up, from the last completed green flag lap. I do not pick which lap it goes to..The computer pops up a little screen that tells me, line up, and who is out of position. And the last completed green flag lap, does include lap down cars, it includes all cars on the race track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kn1ghtblade Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 See its all about the damn computers... LoL I am telling you the computers are taking over the world, its going to be like terminator!!!!! LoL LoL LoL LoL :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 I don't know about the yellow lights, asked around and no one saw anything... Doesnt mean it didn't happen? Do I think the 7 took a cheap shot on the 04?I didn't really see what happened clearly enough to give you an answer... With answers like that, you have a great career ahead of you as an official or politican. lol All I know is when I posted in this forum on July 31 it had been view by 300 people, now it's over 1450. Hope we are entertaining everyone!!!! I'm running for office!!! But yeah, I'm with you on the entertainment factor! Bandit, I've never stepped foot on a race track during an actual race.... I'd probably get run-over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yea, I would probably not advise you step on the track during a race. Driving is much safer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racegirl Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 CommonSense, As the score keeper for the last race, after your questions I have reviewed the race results and lapchart. Here is an explanation of your concerns.. On lap 65 Car 00 was leading the race Car 02 passed 00 during this lap Car 02 lead lap 66, HOWEVER the yellow flag was thrown toward the end of lap 66 and although the lead car had crossed the start/finish line, four other cars had not. They were car numbers 16, 5, 67 and 6. In order for a lap to be complete ALL cars must cross the start/finish line. I hope this addresses your concerns, if not please feel free to come and see me in the tower August 19, prior to the race and I will show you the lap chart. Thank you, Amanda Neer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonSenseRacing Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Fair enough, the reasoning behind my thought process was: On lap 65 Car 00 was leading the race Car 02 passed 00 during this lap Car 02 lead lap 66, HOWEVER the yellow flag was thrown toward the end of lap 66 and although the lead car had crossed the start/finish line, four other cars had not. They were car numbers 16, 5, 67 and 6. In order for a lap to be complete ALL cars must cross the start/finish line. On lap 65 Car 00 was leading the race Car 02 passed 00 during this lap Car 02 lead lap 66, the yellow flag was thrown toward the end of lap 66 and the lead car had crossed the start/finish line, so when he came back to the finish line for the yellow it was lap 67. I understand your point, my question is why does HMP count laps under caution, but doesn’t really count them? Most tracks if the caution come out they reset the lap counter to the previous lap, HMP doesn’t it lets the laps count down. I’m not trying to argue it’s just something I’ve never seen before. Thanks for your explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racegirl Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 At all tracks i have worked for have the same rule. We go back to the last completed green flag lap. Yes yellows count, but they do not fall into place when it comes to lining up cars. Laps count but positions are held to the last completed green flag lap. This is true at Houston, Kyle and I believe San Antonio. I have never seen it any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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