thomasghamilton Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I can only imagine how it must feel to have won the race then be disqualified. All the hard work effort time and money you and so many others had put into the race can never be repaid. I would to apologize to you and your team for the selection of hydraulic lifters used in your 602 GM crate motor that Houston tech has found to be illegal. I see no performance enhancement whether a hydraulic lifter uses an e clip retainer or a wire clip retainer in a motor that has an rpm limiter chip and an 80 pound seat valve spring pressure limit. The lifter used has been in this motor is over 2 years. Also the lifer used and was disqualified is also 6 grams heaver that the round wire retainer lifter. Both lifters are from the same manufacturer and within 10 dollars of cost per set to one another. Welcome to the 602 crate motor replacement parts pricing brought to you by GM and track rules. lunati lifters #71817G set of 16 $66.61 Factory GM lifters #05232720 set of 16 $216.16 The prices are the store cost to Mission Auto Parts Tom Hamilton Mission Auto Parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 nice passive aggressive dig at Jack and Ricky in the middle of what is probably a sincere apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Really???? A lifter?? DQ'ed over a lifter. Mr. Hamilton, your a very upstanding guy to come on here and take responsibility for this. I applaud you. I just cant see why its a DQ'able offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termite#99 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Mr. Hamilton, did you not see we were dq'd for this 2 races ago? You might should have said something to Rick at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorboy Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 He said it was in there for 2 years so he probably forgot about them. I know I would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termite#99 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Yeah, that's it. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorboy Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Cary, did you notice a difference in performance after you changed your lifters? I don't really know the ins and outs of lifters but I figure you have on track testing of the two different lifters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Cary, did you notice a difference in performance after you changed your lifters? I don't really know the ins and outs of lifters but I figure you have on track testing of the two different lifters. We didn't notice any change. They were there because they are known to be less likely to come apart than the wire retainer type - probably the same reason they were in the motor in the 96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPPYHIPPY Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 nice passive aggressive dig at Jack and Ricky in the middle of what is probably a sincere apology. Tom, No apology necessary you have always had My best interest in Mind w/ ALL The WILD CHILD Motorsports cars and truck and it shows on the track. I have NO ill feelings towards Jack, Ricky, HMP another team or any engine builders. I believe everyone is trying to do there job. As did the Motor builder for the 99 truck when he got DQ ed for the same infraction. I am sure w/ No question he felt he was using the most reliable equipment he could find w/ in the rules as it currently reads. Yes we are running last years motor in the New 96 Truck and actually Tom was the first to call me when Cary's infraction took place and Tom said he could not remember what he had put in the motor last year and was concerned. I chose to leave what Was Not Broken Alone until the time came to freshen up. I take full responsibility for my equipment on the Tech Pad. Do I wish things went differently ? Absolutely as any racer would knowing what it takes just to get on the race track each week much less waiting for All The Planets to line up just right to pull off a Top finishing position. My Opinion & My Opinion Only !!! ( IN A PERFECT WORLD ) I would like to see Tech in the future make a decission if the part is deemed a Non Performance Enhancing part and that part is not clearly stated in the rules as written. Tell the racer.... The Track does not like this part & do not bring it back & then Hand the Racer their Hard Earned Trophy. Then clarify the rule for the future & let the racers know in Next available Drivers meeting ( Which Jack does currently bring concerns to our attention in Drivers Meeting already ). SEE YOU @ THE RACES !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 nice passive aggressive dig at Jack and Ricky in the middle of what is probably a sincere apology. nice passive aggressive dig at a passive aggressive dig of what was probably a passive aggressive sincere apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertx Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Give me a break.I love crate motors NOT and everybody wonders why asphalt car counts are down.there is a great article in this months P.R.I mag. about rules and how they have back fired trying to save racers money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 nice passive aggressive dig at Jack and Ricky in the middle of what is probably a sincere apology. nice passive aggressive dig at a passive aggressive dig of what was probably a passive aggressive sincere apology my hat is off to you sir. Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colgate Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 If you look at the lifter on the right...it looks like it is about to come apart just setting there on the table with just three of the edges firmly in place....the fourth is not.....wow...needs to be more clarification in the rules big times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 nice passive aggressive dig at Jack and Ricky in the middle of what is probably a sincere apology. nice passive aggressive dig at a passive aggressive dig of what was probably a passive aggressive sincere apology my hat is off to you sir. Well played All in good fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasghamilton Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Welcome to the 602 crate motor replacement parts pricing. lunati lifters #71817G set of 16 $66.61 Factory GM lifters #05232720 set of 16 $216.16 The prices are the store cost to Mission Auto Parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastman Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Welcome to the 602 crate motor replacement parts pricing. lunati lifters #71817G set of 16 $66.61 Factory GM lifters #05232720 set of 16 $216.16 The prices are the store cost to Mission Auto Parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Welcome to the 602 crate motor replacement parts pricing. lunati lifters #71817G set of 16 $66.61 Factory GM lifters #05232720 set of 16 $216.16 The prices are the store cost to Mission Auto Parts GM paying back the $50 billion one lifter at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston Motorsports Park Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Maybe its time to find a new supplier... The GM individual lifter part number is 5232720. The GM part number for a complete set of 5232720 lifters is 12371044. First choice would be to call 360 Motorsports at 281-999-RACE for the best pricing. $86.39 for set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Super Chevy Performance: http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Hydra..._p/12371044.htm $99 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Jegs: http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performanc...660#moreDetails $92.95 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Pace Performance: http://paceperformance.com/i-6255127-12371...16-lifters.html $84.95 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Scoggins-Dickey: http://sdparts.com/details/gm-performance-parts/12371044 Of course those prices are all retail not jobber. Scoggins-Dickey which was the cheapest above also offers a dealer discount. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolliepollie Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 John if I buy lifters for $84.95 can I spend more money on the inside of them and still be legal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPPYHIPPY Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 John if I buy lifters for $84.95 can I spend more money on the inside of them and still be legal ? Hey where's Nick when you need him....If I didn't know any better I think this rolliepollie Character is trying to stir up trouble And I get the feeling he does not have my best interest in mind. lmao This is supposed to be an Apology thread " For The TEARS in My Beer Last Saturday " See You @ The Races !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolliepollie Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 I always have your best interest in mind Hippy except when i am having fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasghamilton Posted August 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Maybe its time to find a new supplier... The GM individual lifter part number is 5232720. The GM part number for a complete set of 5232720 lifters is 12371044. $86.39 for set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Super Chevy Performance: http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Hydra..._p/12371044.htm $99 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Jegs: http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performanc...660#moreDetails $92.95 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Pace Performance: http://paceperformance.com/i-6255127-12371...16-lifters.html $84.95 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Scoggins-Dickey: http://sdparts.com/details/gm-performance-parts/12371044 Of course those prices are all retail not jobber. Scoggins-Dickey which was the cheapest above also offers a dealer discount. Hope that helps. The lifter part number is what Rick was told to use and is the part listed on the original GM crate motor parts sheet. If the part numbers listed are ok to use then they should be listed for all to see. Are all the part numbers listed known not to have the illegal retaining clip? Thank you, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacecar Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Internally, which ones contain the lighter ceramic check balls (vs. the steel check balls) and/or the stiffer plunger springs? Or, the piddle check valve vs. the ball check? Or, a reduced bleed down restriction orifice (e.g. the Rhoads lifter design). That's what really determines the performance advantage... not the type of the retaining clip that holds all the internals together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston Motorsports Park Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Maybe its time to find a new supplier... The GM individual lifter part number is 5232720. The GM part number for a complete set of 5232720 lifters is 12371044. $86.39 for set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Super Chevy Performance: http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Hydra..._p/12371044.htm $99 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Jegs: http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performanc...660#moreDetails $92.95 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Pace Performance: http://paceperformance.com/i-6255127-12371...16-lifters.html $84.95 for a set of 16 GM 602 lifters from Scoggins-Dickey: http://sdparts.com/details/gm-performance-parts/12371044 Of course those prices are all retail not jobber. Scoggins-Dickey which was the cheapest above also offers a dealer discount. Hope that helps. The lifter part number is what Rick was told to use and is the part listed on the original GM crate motor parts sheet. If the part numbers listed are ok to use then they should be listed for all to see. Are all the part numbers listed known not to have the illegal retaining clip? Thank you, Tom Tom, those are GM part numbers for GM parts from all those suppliers. They are already listed for all to see by GM. One part number is the individual lifter and the other part number is the set of 16. The GM description for GM part number 12371044 is that it contains a quantity of 16 of part number 5232720 lifters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Hey where's Nick when you need him.... In Maine enjoying 75 degree weather and lobster. That's where Nick is. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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