mraracing Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 DO they still run the 305s? I have one on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Yes, the USRA trucks have the same engine combos 302, 305, 318 as the original ARTS rules did except a few minor changes. An alternative is the crate 350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mraracing Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 seems like the crate would have the advantage. I had to relist it anyone interested let me know.mraracing@aol.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 yep, it's hard to beat cubic inches. What gets me is no 360 for the Dodge guys or 351 for the Fords. Does not compute LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin49 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 (edited) John, the reason for no big cubic inch ford or dodge.....because when the series started, they (ARTS) had only 305, 302, 318.. and the crate can be used in all body configurations...and the crate has equal (or close to h/p as the small cube motors) .......just a guess? Edited March 24, 2006 by Smokin49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arts22 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 With the 2006 USRA Truck rules, I'd rather run a 305. They changed several of the rules and you could get alot of HP out of the 305. If the crate motor hasnt been tampered with our springs changed it wont run with the 305, if you maximize the rules to your advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck38 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 With the 2006 USRA Truck rules, I'd rather run a 305. They changed several of the rules and you could get alot of HP out of the 305. If the crate motor hasnt been tampered with our springs changed it wont run with the 305, if you maximize the rules to your advantage. I agree. Terry has said trucks will be on the crate next year and that makes me sad. Takes away part of building an engine and the 305's can be made to put out more power than the crate 350. But that's only half of it, there are some good drivers in the trucks and unless you can just flat out run them on the straightaway you got to out drive them no matter the engine. Â The good things about crate engines and I know that's why everyone's going with em is they are cheap. 305's need work to out do a 350 and that costs money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arts22 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Its All ABOUT THE TURN.... If you cant turn the staightaway wont help as much. At SAS it helps alil more, but Kyle, CCMS, HMP you have got to be able to turn. At SAS the turns set up the passes and give you the momentum to pass not the straightaways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mraracing Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Whats the cost difference in the motors? ANd who has a cheap truck for sale? I could only make it once a month or so just wish we had some paved tracks in East Tx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Rogers Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 mraracing  Check your pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 (edited) mraracing: You can check the USRA forum here on TXSZ; in their classifieds, or maybe RaceParksAuction.com might have one listed, haven't looked lately. Â *revised: Â On the engine issue: I spoke with Terry (Sat afternoon) and he informed me that making the crate motor for the trucks the designated engine is only a 50/50 chance as it stands now and any decision will be made based upon car count. Still, I'm building a 302, and have about $10k invested in Ford engines / transmissions & parts. How will going to crate motors exclusively help this series? Making the crate 350 the "exclusive" engine for the USRA truck series would be a bad move In My Opinion. The diversity will be gone, and the truck series some of us have come to love will be gone. The great low budget, high class, professional series that you can "run as a hobby out of your back pocket" will be gone. The crate engine will cost me (the little guy) more in the long run. To "do it right" I would have to shell out out $7k for 2 engines, buy 2 transmissions, get driveshafts made, etc. If I blow a head gasket in this crate engine; I have to pull the engine, take it to the designated rebuilder, put the other engine in. If I blow a head gasket in my 302, I pull the heads at the shop w/ the engine still in the truck & replace them. Saves time, & money to keep doing it the way I have been. The only thing crate motors fix is the tech inspection department, there doesn't have to be much of one. Â Before the season started, I had numerous conversations & was assured the Fords & Dodges would be helped out this season by a few minor rules changes to help make them a little more competetive in the HP department. There were some minor changes and those results have yet to be seen. Crate engines would also keep new commers from actually learning what makes the engine run, how to fix them, & how to make them better. Instead, it's going to be: make sure it has oil & water & if your toy breaks, take it to the guy who fixes broke things & say "Fix it", here's the moola. Â Smokin49: The HP difference between the crate 350 and the Ford 302 is substantial. I've spoken with a couple of different engine builders who built engines for ARTS when the rule was only: 302, 305, 318. Their data stated they never got over 320 HP out of the 302. 30 HP is 30 HP my friend. Comparable engine combinations just make sense 302/305/318 OR 350/351/360. Of course this is w/o trying it w/ the new cam rule. Â arts22: I agree, the most important thing is how you get through the turn. However, when you don't complete the pass in the middle or exiting the turn, you can't on the straightaway..... not enough HP. This is strictly my experience w/ the 302 vs. 350 crate. Again, cam. Â People on shoestring budgets most likely build and rebuild their own engines using the parts they have at their disposal. These guys are the guys mid-pack on back who scrimp & save to make a race. These guys are the guys USRA NEEDS to come to the track or you'll have only your top 10 points guys showing up by mid-season. Â I'll sit for now & wish the best of luck to everybody doing the weekly & traveling series grinds. Ya'll are true troopers, keep it up! Â Jr ------------------------------------- Â 3 racecars, 1 racetruck sitting quietly in their garages..... Edited March 28, 2006 by Lonesome Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck38 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 John I'm glad I don't keep your hours! Â Does anyone have scales I could set my truck up on? I know I'm light but I don't have any way of telling how much. I'll bring my truck to you, just wanted to know if someone could help me out. I live in Buda and so does the truck. Â Cameron Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 LOL hehe nothing better to do at 4:30am when I know I'm not going to be able to go back to sleep. Might as well be the early bird on TXSZ right! ramble ramble ramble.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KISS_Racing Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 John I'm glad I don't keep your hours! Â Does anyone have scales I could set my truck up on? I know I'm light but I don't have any way of telling how much. I'll bring my truck to you, just wanted to know if someone could help me out. I live in Buda and so does the truck. Â Cameron Moore Cameron, Â Let me make a call. You can bring it by Friday, it will have to be early. We have to be at SAS by 2:30pm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debwill Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I talked with Terry just a few minutes ago regarding the discussions about a requirement for crate motors in the USRA Trucks. Terry firmly stated that he never said that the Trucks would have to run crate engines next year. Â Terry said they we would look at the car (truck) count around mid-season and evaluate whether anything needs to be changed for next year. If the count is good, he sees no reason to change the rule to require crate engines. Â Again, rumors are just rumors, and I hope we've clarified the issue. As always, if in doubt or if you have a question, please don't hesitate to give either Rick (210-827-4524) or Terry a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 10-4 Debbie. I spoke w/ Terry Saturday afternoon & he cleared things up, and I plan to give him a call... ack (yawn) later today. Thanks for helping get the official word out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Look forward to seeing the 57 out there Jr. I hope, I hope , I hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 We're currently shooting for May 6th, but if someone spots me some tires LOL I could make the April 15th race in Kyle. It's a possibility & we'll get to see how much the new cam rule will help. <fingers crossed> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finishline413 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 lonesome ford ,you need slicks or last year tires,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Looking for the slicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finishline413 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 cant help their, i do have some good lastyear tires, we are limited on how many tires you can buy a week, hopefully that rule will change for safty reasons ..but i think what we found is that the old tires are as fast as the slicks and i know the old tires last longer .let know if we can help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 How long are we able to use the old tires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finishline413 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 the way i understand it is until they are used up .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Now ain't that a gas! I was unaware, last I heard it was one race but that was awhile back. Just sold all I had heheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finishline413 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 i have got some good ones if you need them ,let me know ..johnny kellough ... hooters racing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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