Bobby

5 hours ago, Josh42 said:

I am not going to deny this but look at who the racers were that showed up.  The racers that showed up were already racing asphalt at Kyle there was not a whole lot of crossover racers.  The changes are a little more than minimal, your going to have to lower ride heights and center of gravity, look at your standard setups on dirt sport mod.  Those setups would not work on asphalt.  The only way its going to work is purse you have to make them want to do it.  If you throw out the same purse as what they can get staying on a dirt track, why would you change it over. 

In all honesty Tim just think about it if you had a sport mod lets say your based out San Antonio. Your car is setup to run dirt at I-37 and you have been running good there.  You also occasionally travel to STS, Texana, CBS.  You know that at your local track you win your getting $450, you can travel to the other tracks on an off night and your getting the same.  HMP puts on a race for sport mods and they are paying $450 to win as well.  Where are you going to go race? Somewhere where you have to change your setup completely up, plus buy tires, or are you going to go somewhere where you know you just have to unload not change a thing and go have fun?

That's why I'm saying if they are going to do it they are going to have to make it worth their while to make the changes and spend the money to come race there.  I'm not disagreeing with you that the cars are there, there is a lot of them you just have to make it worth their while to do it.

Exactly!  And if you are willing to do that to attract classes from other forms of racing, why not for the ones already established?  The governing and economic factors are no different.  If you keep bringing the same logic to bear, you will get the same results.

And in addition to the suspension changes, there are probably gearing issues too...

Good to know!  Thanks.  

On those cheap tires - at a dirt track for a typical local purse, no one checks to see if you are running on second-hand asphalt tires, because it doesn't make much of a difference.  But in the context of an asphalt track, what defines a "pulloff" and how do you tech for it?  Because if you can't do both, there goes a major part of your justification for the class, as opposed to others.

And if you disregard the tire cost angle, the argument for one class vs another just reduces to how much purse do you have to pay to draw each class, as it always has been.  I don't think $5K as paid for big Factory Stock races is going to happen in the local asphalt world, at least not in the near future. 

9 minutes ago, Nathan said:

Factory stock tires cost between 30 to 40 dollars because they have to be pull offs.  The original question on this thread was about what Dirt/asphalt class could work to pull racers from dirt to help car counts at the track.  Sadly Camaro are not always easy to find a place to race them.  Most classes wont allow them.  But this thread was not about what asphalt class the track should focus on.  

"I'm not trying to be mean here to Scotty9 and MetroRacer but didn't they give the super stocks a chance and not enough showed up?  "   Was this you ??????

And the broader point, which I was trying to make in the bracket race discussion, is when you just add and delete classes willy-nilly, with no consideration of how you are effecting other classes, you drive racers away, often permanently.  People can't afford to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours just to throw it away because the promoter changes.  One of the participants in this thread has been hit once by that, and may be hit again.

Nathan -   It shouldn't be an either/or, there is room for both, if things are handled correctly (emphasis on correctly).    I can tell by your statement there is plenty of HMP history on Pro Stocks and Super Stocks you aren't aware of.  Very obviously there is a large pool of Factory Stocks out there, which should be clear to anyone who has gone to a dirt race in the last few years.  What is not so obvious  is what should happen with the pool of Pro Stocks sitting around from the Mandalback days, and the Super Stock class which more recent management has tried to get going, with mixed success.   

The most obvious issue, which has effected Super Stocks, Pro Stocks, and will effect Factory Stocks too, is the tire cost vs purse issue.  If you pay Factory Stocks enough to offset the tire bill, yes, they will come.  But the same could be said for Supers and Pro's (and I think accommodations should be made in the rules for Pro's, it wouldn't be that hard).  But even the Factorys aren't going to  come for Ecostock purses, which is pretty much the situation you've had recently.   And if the purse could be reasonable for Factories, why not the other stock bodied classes?   Tires vs purses  for the stock bodied form factor *is* the issue.  Previous management decided they weren't real race cars and didn't pay accordingly.  And for $5K to win, as you mentioned, cars will turn out for ANY class....

And if you want a place for all of those cars, irrespective of tires, keep the bracket race idea in mind...

1 hour ago, NickHolt said:

Thanks for the info, Bobby.

This is all happening in Maine where the Line Disease carrying deer ticks are in abundance,  The Doc I had said we probably caught it soon enough to hope for a complete recovery.  The same Doc said he has treated more Lime Disease cases this year than in the past 20 years combined!

Nick

It's an incredibly serious problem.  That said, wishing you the best!  If you had to get it, a place where the docs know about it is clearly the best, and, as your doc, said, early diagnosis is the key. I went four years with no answers because "it doesn't happen around here". 

If you need a Lyme-literate MD, there is one in Houston, possibly one in Austin.  I'm very surprised you found anyone in S.A. that even knew what that was.  Been there, done that.   Since you got diagnosed early, the conventional 2-4 weeks of antibiotics might kill it.  You are extremely (!!) fortunate, many, if not most Lyme patients don't get diagnosed early and would kill for only a few weeks of treatment.   Feel free to PM if you come to need more info.  

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Mary Ann and Gina have very similar mindsets.  Both are working to enlarge the total size of the racing pie, rather than than enlarge their parts at the expense of others.  I hope they are successful.  They both represent beautiful tracks which would be a shame to have go dormant.

1 hour ago, NickHolt said:

Gina,

Feel free to use the Lone Star Speedzone forums to keep the non-Facebook crowd informed as well as those outside your immediate demographic.

That's why we're here!

NIck

I would doubly recommend that.  Speedzone has been the hub of the wheel of social media, before there were even any spokes.  Facebook pages come and go, there needs to be a central point of reference, not to mention that it is device-independent, so everyone has access.  

And I hope Gina hasn't been holding back for fear of monopolizing the content here.  HMP is the Big Daddy track in the state, and it's fortunes affect everyone else's, so it has a right to prominent placement.

Thank you, HiTech.  I couldn't agree more!  The more show you can see in a shorter time, the more people will come, from a wider area.  It isn't rocket science...   This is supposed to be about entertainment, not endurance.

Nice people, too.

When I googled IMCA modified rules, I saw a max width of 78".  Couldn't find anything for sprint cars, oddly enough.

If Whitey weren’t out of town, this could be a special attraction gold mine for intermission! Meet the drivers and ToyotaTim!  Watch him tune shocks!  

Always thinking of marketing, here....  

It's nice to see them talking about change (and doing things differently), driven by economic necessity.

As an FYI, Gina is Promoter and Track Manager, Brad is Race Director.

38 minutes ago, TSTRS said:

Most everything I am working on is non-traditional.  Many times I have to stop myself, and call all my 'traditional' racers for advice to see if what I am thinking is even a doable thing!  Ask Denny Burton! lol  Stay tuned and hang in there with us!   - Gina

LIKE, LIKE, LIKE!!!

Very happy to see that there will be full time promotion/track management. Also glad to see the long overdue, "out of the box" recognition of the long race days and the need for a shorter, alternating program.  Along those lines, I was hoping to hear some at least preliminary thinking about mix of classes (a strategic overall look, how to integrate cars (including dirt) in non-traditional ways, etc) but perhaps that will be considered with time. 

Wristbands from last practice honored?

10 hours ago, Budman said:

…………. and I was probably there.

I know I was.

13 hours ago, HiTech said:

TOLD my wife yesterday . finally a racetrack that does not use that cheap meat ..  those hamburgers are big and for 550 .its worth every penny... ..that will make me miss the stop and eat heading up to the track knowing the food is good .. beside I like the track and the nice lighting in the pit area . clean track ….

Indeed.  It seems most tracks treat food service as a nuisance rather than something that can be done well for profit.  As a result, you only eat the bare minimum to get you by. Because you have to, not because you want to. A hugely overlooked area in my opinion. 

Fowler, Harper, Yantis - Good to see those names again.  In another decade they will be as obscure as the other names on that flyer.

6 minutes ago, rails said:

I think Poole lives in the woodlands.

Agreed.  I remember him running dirt modifieds on the USMTS tour a while back.

If you have not already, you might want to look at posts seven and nine in the Supermodified Book thread in this same forum. Each one has a contact that might prove useful.

My memory of Don, starting from maybe late '60's, was that he was always in a purple Ford with the number 29. Something that I've not seen recognized on this forum is that he was always one of the top three or four cars to beat. Always great equipment, driving and driving strategy.

Willie Veach - In regard to "where are they now", Willie and Joe Bob Veach (don't know the relationship) have been racing dirt modifieds and crate models here in Houston the last few years.