uhcougs Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 see jayki's website for the story... tis interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfrebel Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 yeah a rule violation for harvick in qualifying means he goes to the back of the pack, crew chief is tossed, and they will get fined hendrick cars finish 1,2 in a RACE with heigth and shock issues and there is no penalty, no fine, no nothing, only a rule clarification for a race in 2 weeks thats the biggest steaming pile of horse manure ive ever seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsrsfan Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 The shock deal was not cheating. They had lots of rebound and lots of shock pressure. When the shocks get hot, the internal pressure increases on its own. So when temperatures settle, the car also settles and lowers if it has a lot of rebound. Now they have lowered the maximum pressures to prevent this from happening. So it was not cheating, just doing what you should, push the envelope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txtom Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 TSRS is correct here, the Hendrick team found something with internal pressures and caught everyone else with their pants down, including Nascar. Naturally, Nascar doesn't like anyone to get one up on them, so they will add a maximum static pressure to the rule book. Shocks have become just about the most important thing in the setup of an oval track car. Cup teams have personnel who do nothing but build and dyno shock packages all day. All the fast late models around here either have a shock dyno, or access to one through a builder such as Advanced Racing , Revolution, or QA1. And you would not believe the amount of information contained on a dyno sheet for a shock. I think it is safe to say that Eddy Wallace, who I help, spends as much time at his shock dyno as he does on the entire rest of the setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfrebel Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 the cars failed post race inspection, FAILED, nascar gave them time for their cars to settle so they could pass inspection do you honestly think if the same thing had happened to harvick at dover they would have given his team time to let the car settle ? if your local race track inspector allowed an extra amount of time for the winning car to pass inspection how many of you would go ape crazy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modracer Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 How many times has someone backed a car off the scales to get another reading. This happens all the time and no one says its cheating. In my opinion its using the rules to the fullest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 The shock deal might not be cheating but NASCAR sets a certain height that they have to go by and they give them a little tolerance after the race. If it does not meet the rules than it is cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txtom Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 if your local race track inspector allowed an extra amount of time for the winning car to pass inspection how many of you would go ape crazy ? Actually happens all the time. Especially when they p&g a motor. Check them hot, they will be bigger than when they are cold. This happened a few years back with a Nascar engine, I think out of Rusty's car. When they initially checked it, it was big; after it cooled off, it read good. We also rock the car to settle the springs and shocks, and like Modracer stated, they realign the car on the scales to ensure the readings are correct. And remember, one violation on Harvick's car might not have been so bad, but three different violations by a crew chief who had been suspended already once this year is clearly going over the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsrsfan Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 The intent on the shock deal was to get as much rebound as possible, they did not know when the shocks heated, it would effect the ride height for a cool down time. The ride height was correct at the start of the race. Harvicks stuff was obvious that the INTENT was to go around stated rules. I am not a Harvick, Busch or Johnson fan. Just a TSRS fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBELRACER Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 barrier might be cheating but you have to admit the guy is crafty........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAMS boy Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I'm not going to argue with TxTom on this one cause he has been around longer than I have... a lot longer! The Kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txtom Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dang, Brad, who woke you up? Ain't it a couple hours past your bed time?? See ya Saturday. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAMS boy Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Ain't it a couple hours past your bed time?? Tom I was going to ask you the same thing! hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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