jcleaver17 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 I was Just sitting here wondering about possibly a new class at thr.....What Do yall think about this? -Jonathan Cleaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooky03 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 You leave this topic wide open, whats on your mind? I think you have a good variety now. Work needs to be done to build up the car count in all the existing classes. The cars are out there. The pure stocks have put on some exciting battles with the few cars they have. I could only imagine what it would be like with 10 or more cars. The hobbys put on a good show as well. They need a few more hard chargers to come back. I talked to Chancellor Monday and he should be back in a couple of weeks. Street stocks are a strong class. Late Models at THR need help. Pure and Late models are the classes that are struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 I agree with Snooky. I think the existing classes at THR provide enough variety for people wanting to get into racing. Increasing the car count in the existing classes is the challenge at hand. Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckman Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 THERE WILL BE ANOTHER LM(FOR KATHY) IN THE MIX SOON. CHASE DOESN'T THAT STREET STOCK RUN LM TIMES? HMMM. NOW ALL YOU NEED IS A RADIO SYSTEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 No late model times here - but not too far off. I'm ready to see that blue #77 at the track again. cs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcleaver17 Posted June 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 But the question is......how do you get that car count to increase? -JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 It's about time you get that Late Model out there Charles. What happened that kept you away for so long? Looking forward to seeing you and your crew out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA-Motorsports Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 We are trying put together a pure stock car....1982 LTD 302 with 3.08 gears I need help!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA-Motorsports Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Anybody know what is the best gear to run at THR for the pure stock class. I believe the 1982 LTD came with 3.55 as its highest gear ratio option. I am going to try and get the car out to the track asap, so the 302 will have to stay this season; with a 351 in mind for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 First bit of advice, Get rid of the ford. dollar for dollar chevy will outperform the ford. Proven fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Even though FORD is WAY BETTER he is right. At that level go with a GM car and you will save alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Please tell me. At what LEVEL is ford more cost effective, dollar for dollar produces more torque or horspower? Can't do a whole lot of part swapping either can you? Can't put a 351W crank in a 351C engine can you? How about using 302 heads on a . . . what - 360? 351? noooooo . . . how about a 302? Maybe All the way with Chevrolet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildRacer5 Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 If you start out with nothin and all you have are Ford parts to begin with in the long run it doesn't get any more exspensive. Sure it may be just a little more time consuming to find the Ford parts but in the long run not more trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Hey zoom. A FORD WILL WIN THE 2003 NEXTEL CUP CHAMPIONSHIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA-Motorsports Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Of course you can't use a 351w crank in a 351c, 351m or 400. The 351c, 351m, and 400 are alls the same engine and are considered big blocks (FE series engines). The 351w is a small block and so is the 302 some parts are swappable between the two. The 302 has many parts to choose from these days: even stock parts such as the 98 explorer 302 that came stock with GT40p heads. Just a little info. I am sure that Chevrolet is probably less expensive; for one, everyone out at the track is running them so if you need a part maybe someone will help you that night. For pure stock I was thinking that you can't do much with the engines or really anything thus making all this performance expense nullified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwgriffin99 Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 trucks more often would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancer52 Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Stop putting him down, I think it is good to see someone not scared to try something away from the norm.... In entry level classes it is at least feasable, not as cheap as a chevy but still not going to break the bank, not like a Latemodel or modified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorttrack29 Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 If you find a cheap Ford, then go with a Ford. If you find a cheap Chevy, then go with a Chevy. It sounds like TA knows a little something about Ford's engines, so I'm sure he'll be ok. Besides, you know how brand-loyal racing fans are. If you're a die-hard Ford Racing fan sitting at THR on a Saturday night, and you don't really have a favorite driver in a class, then you're going to be more inclined to cheer for the LTD than the Caprice. It stands to reason that TA could have quite a few fans within the first few races he runs. Just my $.02.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA-Motorsports Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 I know at the upper end of the spectrum aftermarket products are way more abundant for the GM race cars. At the entry level, there are not supposed to be very many mods you can perform or add so it should not cost too much more to go with a Ford or a Dodge vehicle. If the rules are made in favor of the GM cars then perhaps the rules should state that only GM cars can run, not any american made car. Anyway if it is really going to be a bigger expense in pure stock running a ford let me know now. The car was really cheap and we can get out of it now before we start gutting it. When I say let me know now, I mean what is going to cost more and why? Is it brakes? gears? engines? engine mods? trannys? What is the cost to build a GM 350cid for this class? With the restrictions in place it seems it would a basic rebuilt engine. Are there hidden costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97car Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Go for the Ford at least you will have more people to root for you,it gets boring watching a all caprice class or all camaro class,get something different and learn it and work with it,there has been a few Fords in hobby stock that ran pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildRacer5 Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 TA if you don't want to run the ford anymore I'll buy it from you. I've alway wanted to run Fords. Forget about the engine problems, because it's all stock. The hardest part about running a Fords is finding one to run. The LTD or Crown Vic is the best because of the full frame, no uni-body. Let me know what you want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 TA- You are right. It will be cheap enough for the ltd. Go for it. Just build it. We do need diversity on makes in order to get the fans more involved maybe. I just wanted to get Jason stirred up. Jason, don't you think they will maybe call it the Nextel Handset or Nextel chirp instead of "cup"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 OH. wait I almost forgot. On that LTD, you may want to stiffen the frame a bit. You know how ford and their pressed bailing wire frames are on those cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Good one Zoom! In the old days there was this joke: Question - What time is it when a Ford passes a Ford? Answer - Tin past Tin. *groan* Actually, if you can find a full-size 1965 Ford in a salvage yard, buy it. The '65 front suspension is basically a racing suspension. Believe it or not, all NASCAR Nextel Cup (I'll never get used to this) cars are still based on the '65 Ford front suspension geometry. And, as you probably know, the rear suspension of NASCAR Nextel Cup cars is based on the old full-size Chevy pickup. Nick Holt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA-Motorsports Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 I would not race anything except a Ford. I am going to build this LTD and hope it will run with the pack by the middle of next summer. I am also in the middle of building a road racing stang (1988 GT). The road racer is for me and the LTD is for a buddy who wants haul ass and turn left. I am busy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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