Truck99 Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 The demise of the 50/50 ticket sales program pretty much killed the points fund at THR for the 2003 season. I'd like for this thread to explore ideas about raising money for the points fund for 2004. Maybe we can come up with something that will last for a couple of years before some legal expert shoots it down because of some tax law. Something that the teams and track could do together would be perfect, but I'm at a loss at the moment for what that would be. What did you SAS folks do in the face of this issue? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77SS Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think TSRS got sponsors to come up with the money for their points fund. Maybe we can get sponsors to specifically donate to this points fund or have some of the current sponsors kick in some of the money to the fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debwill Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 At SAS, FASCAR is still trying to recoup the funds that were raised during the first half of the season . . . with no luck so far! We're also getting a CPA to help us find some way to raise funds and still not be considered gambling. We had hoped that FASCAR could get a non-profit status to administer the funds. But that may not be so easy either, since we're not a church or school organization. I understand it's quite costly to change an organization's status to non-profit, and we were willing to pay what it takes to make it happen. However, we've found out we not be able to give funds to "for-profit" individuals (strange but that's how the drivers are classified!). Even if we have to pay taxes on the money, we're hoping we can figure out a way to conduct raffles and drawings without being considered illegal gambling. We feel that FASCAR can safely administer the 50/50 fund because of our financial accoutabilility in our by-laws. I don't our drivers could handle another year of being "ripped off!" Our goal is to come up with some solutions before next season, and we'll certainly share them with the other tracks. I hope you'll also share any of your ideas. In the meantime, we continue to recycle printer cartridges, which brings in about $100-$200 a month. We wish we had more drivers participating because so far most of the donations have come from FASCAR members. The Earnhardt racing team donated lots of used cartridges last month, which was a big help. And Affordable Trailers was kind enough to store them for us until we were able to pick them up. Dennis and Jean Nessar handle the cartridge sales, and FASCAR members will even pick them up if necessary. Just curious . . . what happened to the 50/50 fund at THR? Did some turn y'all in to the State Comptrollers office also? That's something I'll never understand!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted October 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Not sure exactly what happened, but I believe Mr. Callaway probably had someone tell him about the troubles SAS was having with it. He may have done away with the program before being forced to, but I'm not sure. Either way, he probably knew it wouldn't work over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie37 Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 yes i believe somebody did. they said we can't sale 50/50 because its considered gambling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Did that guy who had the money from the SAS point fund every turn it over to FASCAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debwill Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Jason, Nope! What's really strange is that he had asked our announcer why none of us had called him a few weeks ago as we had committed on TSZ. Following his comment, I called him a couple of days later and left a message with both my home phone number and cellular number. I even sent a follow-up e-mail. Since then, we've made several more phone calls and left messages. He has not returned any of our calls. I called again this evening, but so far haven't received a response So, no, it doesn't look promising that we'll ever see the money. And you can bet on it that I will announce it on TSZ if (when) we ever get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 So Tom Peters never did pay up. Does he own a business? I thought he did. What's its name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobby74 Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 I am not really sure what happened to the points fund but I am sure it was there and if they really cared for us they would have had a sponsor for it if the money was not there. I almost wanted to tell THR to keep the trophy and hand me the cash, it works alot better for me on purchasing parts but it happend no money so I will take the trophy. It is just funny that the word (no points fund) was not told to all the drivers that there was no points fund this year. I heard this from one driver to the next to the next then to me. We can only hope that it gets alot better next season. For SAS I have not recieved my Oct.fast check in the mail so did they run off with that to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackbrat Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 So you never got paid for this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp17 Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 What??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerjim2 Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 racing math 101 (no points fund + higher tire and parts prices + no increase in prise money= lower car counts)now how about Houston ,Kyle ,CC speedway and SASall have a tire changing challaange fans coud change a racing tire for lts say $1 a try and every month they could have a run off to crown a monthy champ ant the end of the year have achampion that would recieve a nice throphy.if everyone did this you coud have a texas champion crowned at one of the big multy class races.texas stock car spectacular ,space city 125,or octoberfast . I have no idea if it would bring in alot of money but is would be fun. What does anyone else think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted October 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Jim, That's the best idea I've heard of so far besides the track obtaining a sponsor for the fund. JP17 - I was thinking that also. cs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildRacer5 Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Why do they call the clas the A-Line Auto parts street stocks? If they are a sponsor of the class where does themoney go that they put into it. Are they called the A-Line streets b/c A-line comes up with the weekly purse to race. Another way to create an approximate point fund would be to take an "X" # of dollars from the back gate multiplied by the number of cars that race a class over a given season therefore paying the track champion of that class based on the # of competitors he raced against. Take a higher dollar amount as you move up in the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoShotJR? Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 How about a bake sale. Just make sure Big John knows where it will be and you are sure to make some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted October 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Why do they call the clas the A-Line Auto parts street stocks? Wildracer, I'm not sure exactly what a class sponsorship involves at THR. I can tell you that they contributed several things to be given to the points champions at the banquet. We came home with some cool stuff that they donated as well as two gift certificates to any of their stores. As far as the weekly purses, I'm not sure if they contribute to those. I like your idea about money coming from the gate, but that's money that the track counts on to pay the weekly purses, so I don't know if they would dedicate it to the fund or not. Hey TQ - will you pass some of these ideas on at the staff meeting? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tqj3 Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 ss99- Those, among others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Ok BigJohn we know will eat all the food from the bake sale. Only problem is he doesn't have any money so you will end up losing money on the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97car Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 How about the track adding say 100 or 200 to a point fund for each night that the class gets over 20 cars to start the feature. This might give some incentive to get more cars each week too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ups88john Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 bake sale, i thought i heard beer sale. anyone knows that i enjoy beer, only problem is the word FREE wasnt in there, dang it. big john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racegirl15 Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Did THR give out paper certificates for every one under the champion? did any one get plaque's? What did the Hobby's get for the top ten ?any thing ? We were outa town and missed the party , was there a large turn out ? how was the food ? any fights lololo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 The banquet was well done. The food was good, and there were no fights! The turnout was pretty good - I think a little smaller than last year. Nice trophies were awarded to 1st through 3rd in all classes, including the pure stocks, and plaques were given to 4th and 5th place finishers in each class. Each champion also received some goodies from class sponsors (toolboxes, ice chests, etc.) cs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvette john Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Thnaks for your reply to my race girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsfan Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 SS99 The only class that got anything but a trophy was the street stock class. i know the only thing that the pure stock and hobby stock class got was a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tqj3 Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 I'd like to get some feedback from you guys about this idea: adding a buck to the pit pass fee at Thunder Hill and kicking that buck into the points fund. That would result in a points fund of some $15,000 by itself, and the track would work on other ways to add money to the fund. (One suggestion is kicking in an additional $100.00 any night a class has more than 20 starters in the feature.) Part of this idea would be to keep a running count of how much is in the points fund, and posting it every week on the THR web site. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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