Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 2014 South Texas Shootout Rule Package #1. Weight Rule - 3100 lb. min. w / driver and 107.5 inch wheel base min. Refer to Allowances below for any possible weight penalties that will be added to the initial 3100 lb base. #2. Chassis Rules for Front - Must run stock clip, stock style steering box, tie rods, centerlink, lower control arms must be in stock position, upper control arm mounts can be relocated and can be made of strap steel. IMCA style upper arms ok. No aluminum shocks allowed. Weight jacks ok. Any steel racing spring. No tubular front clips allowed. Quick Steering is allowed. Refer to Allowances for shock options. 2a. Front Shock Rules - The following shocks are the only shocks allowed with no weight penalty. Afco K Series, Doetsch Tech Stock Shocks, Pro SS Stock Shocks, QA1 EC Series. Shocks must be stock mounted to not include a weight penalty. No aluminum shocks, no shock that requires a reservoir, no adjustable shocks. If you run any other type of racing shock Refer to Allowances. #3. Chassis Rules for Rear - Any factory rearend is allowed including floaters. Aftermarket trailing arm brackets are allowed however you must use the factory lower trailing arms and length. Front and rear weight jacks are legal. Coil spring cars must retain factory frame to the rear end housing and retail stock location of lower trialing arm chassis mount. Tubular rear clips will be allowed but will carry a weight penalty, Refer to Allowances. Leaf spring cars must retain the factory location of the front leaf spring mount including the chassis mount height. Front leaf spring mount location has a tolerance of .5 inches from factory location on both left and right locations. No Chrysler leaf springs. Adjustable shackles allowed. Any steel stock mount non adjustable non rebuildable racing shock. Refer to Allowances for 3 link option. 3a. Rear Shock Rules - The following shocks are the only shocks allowed with no weight penalty. Afco K Series, Doetsch Tech Stock Shocks, Pro SS Stock Shocks, QA1 EC Series. Shocks must be stock mounted to not include a weight penalty. No aluminum shocks, any shock that requires a reservoir, No adjustable shocks. If you run any other type of racing shock Refer to Allowances. #4. Driveline - Automatics must have a working fwd and reverse gear. 10 inch min. working coverter. Manuals must have a steel scatter shield. 10.5 inch clutch min. No mini clutches allowed. No traction control of any type. Only factory standard transmissions allowed. Listed below are legal transmissions and the legal gears. Must paint driveshaft white. Stock Transmission Gear Ratios Saginsaw 3 Speed 1st 2nd 3rd 0 line 2.85 1.68 1.OO 1 line 2.54 1.5O 1.OO 2 lines 3.11 1.84 1.OO 3 lines 3.5 1.89 1.OO Borg Warner T-16 1st 2nd 3rd 2.86 1.72 1.00 Saginsaw 4 Speed 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 0 line 2.84 2.01 1.35 1.OO 1 line 2.54 1.8O 1.44 1.OO 2 lines 3.11 2.2O 1.47 1.OO 3 lines 3.5 2.47 1.65 1.OO Municie 4 Speed 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 0 line 2.56 1.91 1.48 1.OO 1 line 2.2O 1.64 1.28 1.OO 2 lines 2.52 1.88 1.46 1.OO T-10 and Super T-10 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 0 line 2.43 1.61 1.23 1.OO 1 line 2.64 1.75 1.33 1.OO 2 line 3.42 2.28 1.46 1.OO 3 line 2.88 1.91 1.33 1.OO #5. Brakes - Disc brakes are allowed. Min. of (3) working brakes. Proportioning valves allowed but not within drivers reach while driving. Rotors must be steel and cannot have any type of cooling hole. Aftermarket pedals legal, dual master cylinders legal. #6. Appearance - Car must have a factory recognizable appearance. Stock, remanufactored and homebuilt steel or aluminum body panels. Truck, El Camino, Cadillac’s, Station wagons, any full size car from factory is legal. No compact bodies. Rear spoiler on deck lid to be no taller then 6 inches, no longer then 12 inches on the sideboards. Can not exceed width of car. Driver cockpit can be enclosed. Car appearance will be heavily scrutinized. Refer to Allowances for stock bodied cars. #7. Tire and Motor Packages - You must declare what package you are running "A" or "B". Max cubic inch 364. Package A - No roller cams. Must pull 15 inches of vacuum at 1000 rpm or .480 max. lift at rocker arm. Any cast iron head 72cc minimum No porting, polishing or gasket matching. Roller tip rockers are allowed, no full roller rockers. Holley 4412 carb only. Must meet factory specs. If you run a stock intake you are allowed to run an unaltered GM quadrajet carb. No carb spacers allowed only a 1 inch adapter. Flat top pistons only, must use steel connecting rods, crankshafts can be steel but must be stock stroke. 362 cubic inch max. IF YOU RUN PACKAGE "A" YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RUN 8 OR 10 INCH WIDE WHEELS. YOU CAN RUN ANY DIRT BOSS, ASPHALT TAKEOFF OR G60 TIRE. NOTE: IF YOU RUN A QJET CARB YOU MUST RUN ON 8 INCH WHEELS WITH G60 TIRE OR ASPHALT TAKEOFFS. Package B - No roller cams. Any stock OEM cast iron cylinder head with a min. of 62 cc chamber, must be straight plug. Any aftermarket cast iron cylinder head with a min. of 72 cc chamber. Max .550 cam lift. Holley 4412 with factory specs only. No carb spacers allowed only a 1 inch adapter. Flat top pistons only, must use steel connecting rods, crankshafts can be steel but must be stock stroke. Full Roller Rockers are allowed. 362 cubic inch max. IF YOU RUN PACKAGE "B" YOU CAN ONLY RUN 8 INCH WHEELS. YOU CAN RUN ONLY G60 TIRES OR ASPHALT PULLOFFS. NOTE: You can NOT combine or blend Package "A" and "B". Refer to ALLOWANCES regarding intake manifold options. EXAMPLE: If you run 10" wheel w/ dirt boss you can not run roller rockers nor run an OEM factory head less then 72 cc. However you can use anything listed on the ALLOWANCES and take on the allocated weight penalty. #8. Wheels and Tires - (1) beadlock is allowed on RR only. Tires maybe Sipped and Grooved. No softening or soaking allowed. For legal tires look at Tire and Motor Package section. #9. Ignition and Battery - Only (1) 12 - Volt battery may be used. Any HEI style distributor is allowed. MSD ignition boxes are allowed. No traction control devises of any type. Must have battery kill switch. #10. Intake and Carb. - Legal intake manifolds, Weiand part #GM 7547, 7547-1, Edlebrock #2101, #2701, or GM Stock non Marine cast iron intake. If you run a stock Q-Jet carb you must run a stock cast iron intake. Refer to ALLOWANCES for intake options. #11. Misc. - Motor setback is #1 sparkplug even with upper balljoint. No Alcohol. No electric fuel pumps. #12. Street type headers are allowed. Maximum 1 ¾” tube Dia. Crossover headers and fender headers are allowed with 1 5/8” max. tube Dia. No 180 degree exhaust allowed. Cross pipes, Y-pipes and H-pipes are allowed. ALLOWANCES - can be used on any shootout car * 50 lb. weight penalty for 3 link rear suspension cars. 3 links no traction control device (spring or biscuit) and solid top link no longer than 36 inches. Pan hard bars may not be shorter than 26 inches and must be solid. * 50 lb. weight penalty for tubular rear leaf suspension cars. * 50 lb. weight penalty for using any shock that is not listed in the general shock rules. Any steel rebuildable shock, any steel relocated shock, any steel Billstein shock. * 50 lb. weight penalty for using any high rise aluminum intake or marine manifold. * 25 lb. weight penalty for any car w a non stock firewall or partial removed floor pan. * 50 lb. weight break for all stock panel bodied cars including hood, trunk and roof. Example: Removing back seat fire wall and floor is legal if car is enclosed. If any part of the firewall or front seat floor is removed you will receive a 25 lb. weight penalty. You are responsible for the min. weight of your car depending on what additional allowances are on your car. All cars start at 3100 lbs. w driver. Add your weight penalties up and together you will have the total weight you must be after the race. Example: if you run a 3 link car w/ rebuildable shocks, high rise intake manifold, sheet metal body, w only a portion of a firewall then your weight penalties will add up to 200 lbs. Base Weight Rule 3100 lbs. + 200 lbs. in allowances = 3300 lbs. is your new min. weight We reserve the right to eliminate any gray area rule that is exposed by a competitor at any time. Ask before you do it could say you alot of time and money. 2014 rule package should allow drivers some flexibility. It levels the playing field for those that don't want to upgrade or run certain parts vs the driver's that do. We believe this will make for a much easier way of teching cars prior and after races. We hope our effort pays off for everyone involved in the series as we strive to making the shootout bigger and better every year! Rules are out early this year for your benefit. We will continue to review any neccessary rule adjustments to make the best possible rule package for all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJack Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 I LIKE BOBBY JACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones41 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Just curious if were still running the shoot out rules for the rest of the season?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRacer9s Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Question. In this post it says no tubular front or rear clips allowed. In the Street stock shootout forum it doesnt say this, it only says no tubular front clips. We are building a street stock and we have already installed the tube rear from the the front clip back. Are we illegal for this series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones41 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Question. In this post it says no tubular front or rear clips allowed. In the Street stock shootout forum it doesnt say this, it only says no tubular front clips. We are building a street stock and we have already installed the tube rear from the the front clip back. Are we illegal for this series? Yes I know a few others in the same boat...they will be sitting out along with us next year on the tube rear chassis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 This was brought up yesterday. Leaf Spring revision has been updated. Thanks for the heads up wade and cletus15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Just curious if were still running the shoot out rules for the rest of the season?? Yes, for the remainder of 2013 regular season Owen is still running this years Shootout Rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Question. In this post it says no tubular front or rear clips allowed. In the Street stock shootout forum it doesnt say this, it only says no tubular front clips. We are building a street stock and we have already installed the tube rear from the the front clip back. Are we illegal for this series? You are good as long as its a leaf spring rear suspension. Thanks for your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones41 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Thanks for clearing it up Stephan. I only read the shoot out forum didnt see that until cleedus pointed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 No problem we are clearing up small little details but trying to do it early so people have more then enough time to get ready. Please anyone has questions or need any clarifications email me or pm me otherwise i will return any calls as i can. Thanks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRacer9s Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Do the 10" tires help that much? My purestock engine meets all of the rules for engine package a. I was thinking about putting some 10" tires on and running it with yall in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Well our two time champion has been on 8inch both years. I think there is an advantage for 10 inch on loose greesy tracks but when it Texas do we have that? Usually only under certain circumstances. However we do have from time to time fantastic runs by guys on 10 inch stuff. Race #1 was won by #75$ Bo Beckner and he is on them. So I guess it depends on who you ask if that helps any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Seems to me if you are going tubular you are getting away from "stock" into something higher.Just a fan observation. Good work by the Street Stock Shootout folks to try to even things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 With novas and cameros its pretty hard not to build it tubular to some degree because they were never a true full frame to begin with but I know what your saying. Its something that has to be policed like everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Thank you for your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer027 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Do the 10" tires help that much? My purestock engine meets all of the rules for engine package a. I was thinking about putting some 10" tires on and running it with yall in December. i would ask local track you run at if you race in streetstock would it have any affect on racing pure again many folks are leaning toward this bein a beginner class on what class you race not by cost of class oe experience,. jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtRacer9s Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 My local track shut its doors at the beginning of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 clarified shock and body rules alittle better. Let me know if a rule isnt clear or needs to be spelt out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 We have listed all the legal factory transmissions. Also listed are all the legal gears they come with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin34 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Need to amend the rule where front leaf spring perch has to be factory mount if you are going to allow tube rear clips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 We have altered the body rule a bit. For any car running stock panels, including hood, trunk and roof you will receive a weight break rather then penalize those running sheet panel or after market bodies. We feel this would be more fair way to level the body rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 After careful discussion and learning what is becoming available in the shock industry we have massaged the shock rules for 2014. We still are allowing alot of shocks we are now just more clear on what is exceptable and what will require a weight penalty. Please review. We have clarified a few additional items in the rear suspension area as well. Also refer to allowances and those additions as well. Please review. We will be concentrating on motor loop holes and gray areas over the next few days. Stay tuned for any possible adjustments there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsen Motorsports Posted August 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Lets make sure everyone understands the 2014 rules are simplifying what we are currently running under from a series standpoint. We are not asking anyone to upgrade or have to change parts. As a matter of fact you may find the rules benefit most more then ever due to the weight penalties that some will be taking on due to how their car was built and the type of parts being used. Get a good grasp of the base rules and then read the Allows that require the adding of weight. You might end up with your car being able to run up to 300 lbs lighter then others. From a track standpoint if a track adopts our rules it allows a track to pull cars from other tracks on rainouts and off weeks. Again drivers are not having to change anything but if they want to they can with a few weight penalties. A racer with these rules have more options then ever before also with the most possible cars. Regardless what some my feel good or bad for anything to work we have to consider the best options for tracks to get better car counts on their normal nights. These rules do exactly that and will give the techmen one set of rules that they can enforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER5 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Great job on everything Stephen and clearing up the rules we plan on bringing my car out next weekend to sts and the car I was starting for sas I'm going to make another street stock for dirt and it's a tubed rear clip so this helps thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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