No playoff for Dillon

[arob]

NASCAR announces Austin Dillon punishment as automatic playoff spot revoked (msn.com)          I didn't NASCAR would do it.

[ron.brown11]

3 hours ago, arob said:

NASCAR announces Austin Dillon punishment as automatic playoff spot revoked (msn.com)          I didn't NASCAR would do it.

To be honest, I was a bit taken aback. Typically NASCAR announces results/penalties on Tues. So when it came and went, I figured that NASCAR would again look the other way. I truly think that the powers that be in Daytona, was reading social media & motorsports journalists' comments, before deciding. So now the standard has been set, the act of taking out a leader or two is going to cost maybe more then you are willing to pay, whether that's via points or a playoff berth. They've previously suspended at least 2 drivers for similar acts, so I guess Dillon should feel lucky not to get suspended as well. So if RCR really has their stuff sorted out, if he can get another win before the cutoff, he should be in. I'm sure that there are those that disagree with what NASCAR did, and that's their right. I'm happy with it, because it tells drivers that wrecking somebody to win isn't going to be tolerated. I'm pretty sure if that happened at a local track, said offender would have been involved in a fight or two, after being DQ'd. That, or needed a police escort off of the premises. I was at New Asheville Speedway the night the great Jack Ingram got wrecked from the lead. He hit the said offender head on, on the front stretch. It looked like there was going to be a riot in the stands, and the pits. But Ingram wasn't actually trying to wreck the other guy. He just didn't realize that the wreck broke one of his tie rods. You've got to understand, Ingram was a local hero there. But they still had police escort him out in cuffs. One of his crewmen really took offense with them handcuffing Jack, and tried to take out one of the cops from behind. That didn't turn out well, for him or Jack. If I remember correctly, Ingram was the defending late model stocks (now Xfinity) champ, and past New Asheville track champ.

Richmond was a pretty good race, when comparing it to those held there over the last decade. The optional tire compound will start being produced for more tracks very quickly. Plus, there were some really good drives by drivers, that will go unnoticed because of the last lap. Yes, NASCAR got a lot of "water cooler" talk, but it was about the wrong thing. The last time I checked, NASCAR's product that they are selling is still racing. Good/great racing will keep the fans coming back a lot longer, than what took place on the last lap of a race. Wrecking someone on purpose still ain't racing, and NASCAR isn't supposed to look/act like the WWE. Racing is their product. 

[Josh42]

I honestly think that if Dillon would of been on his left rear corner or within a half a car length this would have been a mute point. But the fact he came from so far back and did it is where he went over the line. I also think if he would of been that a closer you would of never had the issue with the 11 as well. 

[24nomo]

It was fun while it lasted.  So much for Win and your In & Boys have at it.   Next Perrier water will replace Coke and Gatorade and the drivers will be fined for not lifting their pinkie when sipping the water.  Oh well, it is what it is.  Gibbs and Penske are part of the Nascar mafia.  They carry much more weight politically than Pop Pop does.  

Edited August 15 by 24nomo

[RodneyRodriguez]

I would have sat him AD a week, they set the bar when 23 got thrown out for hooking the 5. which is wrong don't care about the drivers, track, or surface. But had that happened he'd have been 100% ineligible for the playoffs only if he won again and would need a waiver which I'm sure he'd get. 

Pop Pop has lots of pull, they went to him to design this kit car and test it. If this were Michael McDowell he'd be out the rest of the season lol

 

[rails]

I think my personal disdain for the 22 and the 11 may cloud my perception of this deal. But it seems to me that this whole issue lies at the feet of NASCAR. They have let so much of this go on that it comes down to trying to rule and interpret intent. I think the 3 had every intention of taking out the 22, the 11 I am not so sure that is as cut and dried as everyone may think. So when you move the leader it is usually with intent, weather you are on there bumper or you come from 2 or 3 cars back and do it, the intent is still the same, versus trying to make a clean pass for the win. This should have been decided on Sunday evening, the same data that they looked at on Monday and Tuesday was the same data that was available on Sunday evening. Everyone on this forum has seen plenty of racing over the years. And its probably safe to say that is not how a race is supposed to end. But at the same time, Richmond pales in comparison to a Saturday night at the truck races at HMP back when the fields were full.

Edited August 15 by rails

[arob]

2 minutes ago, rails said:

I think my personal disdain for the 22 and the 11 may cloud my perception of this deal. But it seems to me that this whole issue lies at the feet of NASCAR. They have let so much of this go on that it comes down to trying to rule and interpret intent. I think the 3 had every intention of taking out the 22, the 11 I am not so sure that is as cut and dried as everyone may think. So when you move the leader it is usually with intent, weather you are on there bumper or you come from 2 or 3 cars back and do it, the intent is still the same, versus trying to make a clean pass for the win. This should have been decided on Sunday evening, the same data that they looked at on Monday and Tuesday was the same data that was available on Sunday evening. Everyone on this forum has seen plenty of racing over the years. And its probably safe to say that its not how a race is supposed to end. But at the same time, Richmond pales in comparison to a Saturday night at the truck races at HMP back when the fields were full.

Difference is the bump and run has become a long time accepted thing. When the leader knows someone is on his bumper the last turn of the last lap he expects it to happen. But pile driving into people from several car lengths back and hooking  from the right rear is not expected and should never be accepted. And now the bar has been set by NASCAR and I doubt we will see this situation any time soon. Hats off to NASCAR for getting this one correct.

[rails]

So does that make it right because it has become "accepted"? I've seen many cars put into the wall on a bump and run. Weather the leader is merely moved out of the way, or ends up into the wall and taking out half the field behind him on the last few laps, the intention is still the same. And that intention is to move the leader for the win. It doesn't mean your car is necessarily faster, it just means you are in position to do it. 

AROB, don't get me wrong, the finish of that race on Sunday night was ugly. I am also no fan of the dumping the leader from their bumper either. The 3 car has had a terrible year, running in the low 30's in points, but he was fast on Sunday. The Green, White, Checker unfortunately promotes this. Without that, we wouldn't be having this conversation, Dillon is the winner and in the playoffs. 

[rebelracewriter]

"unless he wins soon".....Well that's not going to happen....That race was the only chance na$car gave RCR, of course Childress picked Dillon over Busch to get that win....Just my sarcastic opinion.😁

I see a lot wrong here(from all social media postings)....People justifying bad behavior with others bad behavior...."Bump and run is one thing, driving in from 5 cars deep and using the leader as your brake or right hooking someone into the wall is another, totally....Some now want to compare him to Earnhardt, REALLY???....Last but not least, na$car got themselves in a bind, wanting the 3 car to be in playoffs and what to do with the manner it was done, hence the longer wait.(jmo)

In the end everyone got what they deserved....Logano(big fine) for being an idiot on pit road....Dillon(no play off spot) for demo-derby racing on track....na$car(bad PR) for getting the 3 car a win, albeit tarnished.

Edited August 15 by rebelracewriter

[HiTech]

. THIS DEAL  WAS ON AUSTIN  .. HE    he had  toget  a good  jump start  and  he didnt . . he missed up   . he put himself in that spot ..  he knew he needed to  be inside   joey  going into the turn .. / .. didnt work out ..  joey is one those drivers who  knows how to get good  starts .. ....  austin isnt .