rebelracewriter Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Top-10 after Darlington - 11/14/04 The Old-Fashioned Way 1. Jeff Gordon .... 4877 2. Jimmie Johnson .... 4825 3. Dale Earnhardt Jr. .... 4775 4. Kurt Busch .... 4635 5. Tony Stewart .... 4536 6. Mark Martin .... 4462 7. Jamie McMurray .... 4451 8. Ryan Newman .... 4283 9. Matt Kenseth .... 4270 10. Elliott Sadler .... 4256 11. Kasey Kahne .... 4225 12. Bobby Labonte .... 4145 13. Jeremy Mayfield .... 4125 14. Dale Jarrett .... 4123 15. Kevin Harvick .... 4095 The Chase Way 1. Kurt Busch .... 6346 2. Jimmie Johnson .... 6328 3. Jeff Gordon .... 6325 4. Dale Earnhardt Jr. .... 6274 5. Mark Martin .... 6264 6. Tony Stewart .... 6161 7. Ryan Newman .... 6102 8. Matt Kenseth .... 5963 9. Elliott Sadler .... 5963 10. Jeremy Mayfield .... 5942 11. Jamie McMurray 4451 12. Kasey Kahne .... 4225 13. Bobby Labonte .... 4145 14. Dale Jarrett .... 4123 15. Kevin Harvick .... 4094 Huh, looks like they'd still have a points battle going into the final race! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie49 Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Why don't you look at how last year's would have compared. There's nothing wrong with the chase except that its just different. I personally hated the old system and thought it should have been changed thirty years ago. I want to see winning rewarded. The old points system was kind of like saying that winning a football game gets you 100 points. But if you get the most yards and first downs and your cheerleaders look better you can actually earn 105 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted November 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I personally hated the old system and thought it should have been changed thirty years ago Uh......Rookie, it was changed 30 years ago(29 actually) in 1975 to what is was last year. LOL You lost me with the football logic! LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie49 Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 That was what I was referring to was the change to the modern system. It stunk then and it did for the next 29-30 years. I'm sorry if the football reference went over your head. Let's try it again. In a football season the team that wins the most games always gets a chance to play for the championship.(i.e. playoffs) In a racing season, if you don't win a race and finish high enough in an average then you win. When a guy with one win (Kenseth 2003) clinches as early as he did and there are are guys out there with 4,6,8 wins(Ryan Newman 2003) then there is someething wrong with the way you rank your teams. What I was saying was that if you compared racing to other sports like football, then you are in effect saying that if someone else wins more games than you but you average more points per game, have more yards per game, more first downs, then you are more consistent which must mean that you are a better team so we will make you the champion. That is a reference to the fact that you can finish second or third in a Nascar race and actually tie or beat the guy that won the race. Your season rankings should be an extension of the way you play the game. I don't care who led the most laps. I want to know who won the race. If you applied the old system to individual races, you wouldn't give the trophy to the first guy to cross the finish line, you would give it to the guy that had the most points for the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmachine69 Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I dont like change much, and am not really enthused about the new system but WOOO HOOO for the new system, wouldnt want Gordon up front in points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted November 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 LOL I'm with you Taz lady! Rookie, Ok I see where you were headed, but don't forget about Wild Card teams being added, some barely have a .500 record sometimes. I did like the cheerleader reference though reminded me the Cowpies game was on. At least we don't have to worry about them in your above scenerio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBELRACER Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 What I was saying was that if you compared racing to other sports like football, then you are in effect saying that if someone else wins more games than you but you average more points per game, have more yards per game, more first downs, then you are more consistent which must mean that you are a better team so we will make you the champion. hell thats how college football is..............all the damn polls and strength of schedule crap...............football and racing are kinda the same if you really think about it..............in football you can still go to the super bowl with 4 losses...........in racing you can win the title with only one win, but you still have to be consistant..........sure ryan newman had 6 wins or whatever, but how many of those other races did he dnf or finish poorly..........so just because a guy wins the most races he should automatically win the championship ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie49 Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'm not saying consistency shouldn't be rewarded. What I'm saying is that Kenseth last year should equate to your wild card team. The most wins should not neccessarily win the championship, but if you have the most you ought to be able to be in contention no matter how many DNF's. When you talk about crappy teams making the playoffs as well as the good ones, well the fact is that's a fair way of deciding the finalists so to speak, but once you make the playoffs you have to play your way into the superbowl. That's why I like this chase thing. Consistency will get you into the chase but Your gonna have to win some to win the whole thing. Bottom line is there is more interest in racing this year than in years past by both hard-core and casual NASCAR Fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krusty_rusty Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 screw it i like the change it seems like for the first time in 10 years i haven't fell asleep with 3 or 4 races to go knowing who was going to wrap up the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullview Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hey Rookie,don't compare football with auto racing.Remember that racing is the only sport that requires two balls. Ernest Hemmingway once quoted that there are only three true sports,Mountain climbing,bullfighting,and auto racing.The rest are merely games.lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennystone5k Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 wasn't gordon ahead before the 10 race chase started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie49 Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Well then, who is the champion bull fighter? The one who kills the most bulls, or the reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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