ChuckLicata Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hey gang.. Someone who listens to the MZone Show asked me, via email, where I thought David would be in the CTS Standings if he HAD NOT run with Holigan Racing and the Busch team.. I thought I'd throw this out to the TRUE David Starr fans... Your thoughts? ((p.s.--I answered back that I thought David would be in the Top 10 in CTS points if he hadn't wasted his time with the Holigan team..Obviously, the opportunity that Holigan presented was wonderful for David, but considering the lack of support for the Busch team, I think David would have been better off just staying focused on trucks..then again, hindsight is 20-20, huh?)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckman Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I'm with you on that Chuck I believe David would be easy top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direct-flo Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 top 15 for sure, his average finish is 14th 8 top 15, 7 top 10, 3 top 5, 1 win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 i'm cheering for david every race- BUT- you can not call that wasting time... it was a good education,even if he / we feel like the team was not up to par... that, at the time was a big step for david...any seat time is good seat time... and i'm so tired of hearing the what ifs and should ofs and could ofs for this year....david would'nt make excuse, so let's don't make any for him....just my opinion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direct-flo Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I agree, what is done is done. There are no second chances, but one thing is for sure. The seat time he has gained should make him a top runner next year. TomH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobCarter88 Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 He would probably be no better than he is today. Travis Kvapil is in his first year with Toyota and is doing much better that David. David has had more experience than Kvapil so why is it Kvapil has done better in a first time ride? David is a mid pack runner, and that is it. Hamilton, Setzer, Chaffin and Kvapil are the guys to bear in the Truck Series. I cant believe anyone would voice their opinion that a chance in the Busch series was a waste of time. Dont blame the team for Davids failure. The Drivers get the credit when they win, and the crap when they loose. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie49 Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 No really RobertCarter88, don't hedge, no really, stop beating around the bush, no its ok, don't sugarcoat it, tell us what you really think. Seriously, Whether you like a driver or not should not get in the way of making objective views about them. I get tired of people over stating their drivers case, its like He's my man and he's great, whether he is or not. I had never heard of David Starr before this website, and to say he would be top 10 well, I don't know. I do know that I got tired of people bashing Holigan Racing, (I never heard of them either) like it was their fault they didn't have more money, yayaya. Well if they had more money they would probably have a different driver. Not a knock on David, That's just business. The reason its so hard to beat the top doga and compete with them is that the TopDog gets the best equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justrace Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 At the time the busch ride looked like a shot. But it's easy to get tunnel vision when you 'just want to race'. It is a team effort for everyone and if a link is missing no driver could put the car out front. Seat time is important - definately. Unfortunately with the phrase 'Young Guns' floating around when a shot comes along at a certain age and not that frequent, I think anyone in his position would have done the same. He is where he is on passion & communication skills alone. I personally think that is a HUGE accomplishment in itself to be racing on that level. Mid-pack runner at that level is a hell of alot better than local top runner to me. Especially if you put yourself there. Enjoy the ride...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie49 Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I agree. That's part of the point I was making. It's ok to like a guy and be a fan of his, you don't have to over exagerrate(sp) his skills. All the wishing in the world won't make him any better than he is, and like you said, middle-packer at that level is better than topdog at the local bullring. If I sounded like I was agreeing that he's no good, well that's not what I meant. Heck, my favorite driver is probably Dale Jarrett. Very good on some tracks but not a top flight driver anymore, just mid-pack. By the way, just to finish pi$$ing everybody off, The 2 best wheelmen in Nascar at the present time are probably Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon. The save Stewart had in that last race was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justrace Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 You are sooo right on that Stewart point - he can drive the .... out of anything. With poor equipment - he would still look good mid pack doing it. (it would just alot of tires) Speakin of a midpacker - what's wrong with being a Dick Trickle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_Starr_Lori Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 David was Not the failure in the Busch team..The team was the failure--the crew chief was a moron..Yes, David Starr fans are naturally going to take up for him-but where's the team now that David left it?? They are Gone--they shut down--they were a Bunch of morons..David made no excuses, because Thats just David--he is a nice guy..The team was always way behind on schedule building the cars..Never got the car right--the crew chief refused to run the right set-ups. How can anyone Blame David not knowing the facts..I dont know All of the facts--But I know enough to say that David was not the failure. So I totally agree with Chuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justrace Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 I think if you read what we wrote again - no one said it was all David. It is a team effort - no one even mentioned failure AT ALL. Reread and maybe you will agree more with more than Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_Starr_Lori Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 Guess that shows my quickness-to-jump to David's defense --But I do still agree more with Chuck--David has had lots of seat time--especially at TMS..I still believe it was basically a waste of time--too much aggrevation to stay focused on winning that Championship where he wants to SO bad for Wayne and Connie Spears..If the Enzyte car had not been a Start-up team, that didnt know what the heck they were doing--then I would say that YES--the seat time would have been so very beneficial..Sorry if I jumped though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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