RodneyRodriguez Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Well Nascar has decided to go the way of NCTS on finishes with the NEXTEL boys, what ya'll think ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 as a fan--->YEEHAW if I was an owner--->what % of the time have positions 1,2 and 3 changed on green white checker vs. how many cars have been torn up on these deals?(with the trucks as a reference) Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowTie Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 what % of the time have positions 1,2 and 3 changed on green white checker vs. how many cars have been torn up on these deals?(with the trucks as a reference) how many cars have been torn up going into turn one on lap one? The point is, Nascar is giving the teams the opportunity to improve their finishing position. That is better than getting an unexpected halt to your advancing your position through no fault of your own because a yellow was brought out by some spin or debris or oil. Time will tell, but it is better than ending under yellow. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancer52 Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I think that a green/white/checkered finish should ALWAYS happen (unless there is some major wreck at the end). How much longer would it take to run 2 laps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 That was "in the form of a question" as they say on Jeopardy. Granted, I'm just picking a number out of the air, but what if the statistics showed that in 80% of green/white/checker finishes the top three positions didn't change and 78.3% of the time there was an accident? IF the above was true, and you finished under yellow, the chances are 8 in 10 that it's the way it would have finished under green/white/checker AND you have reduced the 78.3% chance that there was going to be an accident to almost zero. Just a "what if" for the discussion... Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerx Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 100% of races that finish under a yellow are the result of a caution...hahaha...sorry, I couldn't help being a smart ass...You caught me off guard, trying to introduce reason and logic to the forum...be careful, it may catch on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowTie Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 But . . . . Racers take chances and they want that 2 in 10 chance to improve their position. We always think that we can win or do better than we currently are, thats why we are racers. However, If it finishes in caution, you just cruise around the track takin up time and gas. No, Nada, Zero, Zilch chance of improving your position under caution. Unless the leader runs out of gas, but he would do that under green too. Because he certainly isn't going to pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 The Winston Open (or whatever it is now) is a stock car race condensed down to 2 30 lap races and a 10 lap race. How much tin gets bent (as my granddad would say) at that level of time compression? Is it unreasonable to assume that it would be even worse if The Winston was only 2 laps long? Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerx Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 The announcers for the Truck race last night said that 1 out of 11 (4 out of 44) GWC finishes ended up having a yellow leading to at least 1 more GWC... It happened last night...There ended up being 4 GWC's...Shane Hmiel would have won had there only been one GWC...he lost it on the second, taking out 1st (himself) and 2nd (Bobby H)...Buy the time it was said and done, the 4th place truck before the 1st GWC won on a bump and run in the last corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilTPS Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 It is nice to see that NASCAR is finally catching up. The Texas Pro Sedans (formerly TIDA Late Model and Pro Sedans) have been using the race procedeure of requiring a green-white-checker finish for only the past 29 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 after seeing craftman race last nite-and the way nascar is-the cup guys will whine and cry -and they will probably rethink the green/white/checker issue-i hope not-cause that was a hell of a finish- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ1796 Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 I personally dont like it, there will be too many torn up cars as a result of this rule. As a fan i want a good finish as much as the next guy, but I also know the kind of work that goes into these cars as well as most here do. I want to see racing not a demo derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacecar Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 On WindTunnel last nite, a caller had a good suggestion. If Cup needs to go to the Green/White/Checkered situation, all cars a lap or more down need to park their cars - their race is done and scored. Only the cars on the lead lap fight it out. Would keep some cars from getting wrecked needlessly and have better probability that the one attempt for G/W/C leads to a finish under race conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDaddy Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Then tonight on WindTunnel, some idiot called in complaining that if all cars that were only one lap down were parked, and then a yellow came out during the green, white, checker, that those guys would lose their chance of getting back on the lead lap. Only question I had to that was: Doesn't the dumb a$$ lucky dog rule only give the first car a lap down his lap back anyway?? I agree with parking all the lap cars during the green, white, checker. Like Larry said, the probability of their being a wreck would almost be cut in half depending on how many cars are still on the lead lap. But Nascar doesn't even let the guys race anymore. Too many stupid rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Riley Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 I disagree with setting all the cars out that are one lap down or more. Why should their positions be locked by the caution? Those guys back there are points racing too. Johnson, Jr or Gordon could be one of those cars...they need every point they can get. Why are so many in this thread concerned about wrecks in the GWC scenario? Nextel Cup has the best drivers and teams in the world. They are there to race and they know there is always potential for a wreck. If any of the Nextel Cup teams were concerned about wrecks then they should load their "race" car up and take it to a car show. Champ 1796, I like to see good racing too, rather than wrecks, especially for the local Saturday night short track guys. But again, we are talking about the highest form of stock car racing here. These teams have 5, 10, maybe 20 cars back at the shop. Yes there is a lot of work that goes into working on cars, but they have 40-50 people on a team. Lets get over the wrecks. JMO, if GWC, then all cars stay on the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Round up some more Christians, these lions are HUNGRY... Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 How would a lapped car be in the way with a green/white/checkered? Don't they start them single file after the race has less than 10 laps to go? So, what would be the odds that a lapped car would get in the way at this point? Unless it was a short track and the car was going really slow they might become a factor in the outcome, but then Nascar has the rule that you have to maintain a certain speed. I don't think putting the lapped cars out at that point is a good thing or a needed thing. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 The driver is control of the throttle. The only reason for this 'cautions breed cautions' mentallity is the stupid driving that goes on by so called professionals ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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