thumper Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Im sure Obama would applaude any censorship but I dont think Juan Williams would agree.This very subject is being contemplating all over the U.S. In my opinion the MY WAY OR HIGHWAY has not been really successful in any endavor I kinow of. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Im sure Obama would applaude any censorship but I dont think Juan Williams would agree.This very subject is being contemplating all over the U.S. In my opinion the MY WAY OR HIGHWAY has not been really successful in any endavor I kinow of. JMO. I don't think you have thought this issue out very well, which is surprising because most of the time you think things through pretty well before posting. Suppose you start you own racing forum. Are you going to: 1) allow threats against other folks' lives? 2) allow profanity that would make a sailor blush? 3) allow pornography? 4) permit obsence remarks? 5) permit posts that advocate the violent overthrow of the government? 6) encourage hateful, mean-spirited posts? I honestly don't think you would allow all that stuff, but let me ask you this. Where would you draw the line, then? When you delete your first post you are a censor, like it or not. When you edit out the profanity you are a censor, like it or not. You draw the line somewhere. Now, you may not agree where I draw the line and I honestly don't expect anyone to be 100% happy where I have drawn the line. Some think I'm way too lenient on what I allow. Some think I'm way too strict. Others just go with the flow. And the line is almost constantly shifting one way or the other over time. That being said, I have no intention whatsoever of engaging in a public discussion about where the LSS is drawn. If someone would like to engage me in a debate, feel free to PM or email me. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 you just described yellowbullet.com with 1-6 nick,one of the biggest racing website on the planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumper Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Nick I was not talking about Forums.I was talking about race tracks that dont allow discussions about controversial calls made.A forum you just turn off but when you commit to building a race team and are told to kiss up or blow,you have a considerable financial commitment. Your forum takes a ceartain amount of skill to discuss what some would call negative comments.Others would call another opinion but guess what.Most tracks owners will not talk to you about some issues and a forum is a great discussion piece.Yes,with tact and curtisy but still opposing ideas.Otherwise its just for announcements.Thats boaring.I love opposing sides of a discussions.Just like this one.But I will never be a YES man.Im still a 60s hippy,protesting everything. How many track owners will right now not answer even simple questions on any forum???They dont answer phone calls or advertise upcomming events.Is that diaolouge.I know I cant spell any better than hi teck but half my screen is still blocked when I type. Some people just dont like to be bossed around.Thats what I am hearing on this thread.Where does that line need to be drawn.Ask Obama. I mean no disrespect to anyone.But I will argue with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I think most of the Thunderhill Raceway drivers know that they can come to the officals and talk. Also if they have questions they can email us. We got them all the time. I know I answer alot of questions. And so does Debbie. They are not ignored. And if Houston had this rule all last year, why is it such a big deal now that we are adopting it? I don't get it. Peace and Love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumper Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Kathy,you guys are the exception.I applaude the great job you guys do and you do set the example that all tracks should follow.I respectfully disagree with adopting a mean spirited rule like this,frankly you dont need it.You have the respect of your drivers,staff and fans so why use hitler ideas.Kindness will always prevail,this rule doesnt sound very kind.It sounds hateful and bossy.Why become that??? I hope you reconsider.Rather reward good things and consider the sourse of the pottymouths.Everyone else does.I know its not my business but I always use you guys as my good example when dealind with race related subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I think most of the Thunderhill Raceway drivers know that they can come to the officals and talk. Also if they have questions they can email us. We got them all the time. I know I answer alot of questions. And so does Debbie. They are not ignored. And if Houston had this rule all last year, why is it such a big deal now that we are adopting it? I don't get it. Peace and Love! WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY WAS IT ADOPTED ...I HAVE NEVER HEARD MANY NAGITIVE THINGS ABOULT THUNDER HILL ..THEN AGAIN .. NICK AND DEB DO A GOOD JOB OF CLEANING THAT OUT ..AND IDONT READ OTHER SIGHTS .SO I PROBABLY MISS ALOT THERE ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Ann Naumann Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 On the other side of the coin, I do encourage open, honest, civil discussions about issues, news events, etc. within the racing community. Not all of them make the track look perfect because, believe it or not, none of us are perfect. Quite often out of these discussions new insight is obtained by track officials that may impact they way they do things in the future. Many of the ideas brought forward in these very forums have been implemented in one form or another into the way tracks operate. Nick, I ditto this! I never want to stop learning, improving or accepting input, besides the "big announcement" I think that's what last night's meeting was all about!!! I guess you had to be there. If you have raced at HMP anytime in the last two years, you have been running under this exact rule. I used it as an example to help some of these young drivers desiring to move further with their talent to be careful, some of the things some are posting, yes on their "private" sites not certain what is so private about them, but they can be so harmful. Please give this a break and know that I did not nor do I plan to step on anyone's right to express their dislike of something that has to do with me, THR or other racers. I don't know any other way to try to clarify my sincerity. I have listened and learned from many of you on this very website and hope to continue. Now, can we get a little excited about the reality show!?! I guess this is reality, LOL, have a great week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchRacer07 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Unfortunatley reality shows love and often focus on controversy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SASPEEDRACER24 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I think most of the Thunderhill Raceway drivers know that they can come to the officals and talk. Also if they have questions they can email us. We got them all the time. I know I answer alot of questions. And so does Debbie. They are not ignored. And if Houston had this rule all last year, why is it such a big deal now that we are adopting it? I don't get it. Peace and Love! I think the big deal about it is that not alot of people knew about the rule that was implemented nor was it brought up on here till now. Im sure if it were we would have had this discussion a long time ago... I'd be more curious if anyone has been given any warnings or been suspended because of the rule as well or are they in the witness protection program as we speak? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Unfortunatley reality shows love and often focus on controversy!! That is so true, but Im still hoping that great racing by great drivers and the respect both on and off the track by everyone will shine thru to show that great short track racing still exists. C-yall in a few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer88 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 in my opinion we should be able to post watever we want whether good or bad we have a right to do it on OUR facebook page its our page tracks should not try to control wat we say on our pages i can see doing that on lss but on fb come on if the tracks take actions like fines and points away for saying stuff like " this (guy) intentionally hit me and the officials at (this track) made a bad call" thats messed up. its freedom of speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 thumper if you change your resolution settings it will eliminate having half your screen blocked.....Worked for me anyway....Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 With apologies to 60 Minutes and Andy Rooney....Have you noticed the rise in new yet unfamiliar Member posting personas that have zero posts? Gee...I wonder why folks would do that ? Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 With apologies to 60 Minutes and Andy Rooney....Have you noticed the rise in new yet unfamiliar Member posting personas that have zero posts? Gee...I wonder why folks would do that ? Jay No sir, I sure haven't noticed that phenomenon. For instance, take a look at the number of posts made by folks in this particular thread. Most have over 100 posts. In fact, most have over 1,000 posts! Debwill 3,790 PAPA 1,867 LoTech 8,573 Sergeant 38 jracer98 1,043 reb 9,820 fast18 2,268 jwmbiship 523 poorboy 1,434 Mary Ann Naumann 330 NickHolt 13,570 Budman 4,409 crazyhorse 3,294 SASPEEDRACER24 2,246 thumper 1,107 ProTree 2,890 Kathy 2,123 FitchRacer07 300 racer61 1,489 racer88 38 Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SASPEEDRACER24 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Thinking outside of the box now, to me its a useless rule anyhow because it doesnt take into account friends of drivers, family members, fans, ect. It will be even worse if it comes to pass that someone gets barred because of what a family member or fan or friend of a particular driver said... JMO Thanks to a friend that I will keep nameless at this time apparently the rule includes family members and friends as a part of the team.... Here is the rule... 22. UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT (a) Each driver is responsible for the conduct of their entire crew, team members, relatives and friends (j) Excessive negativity towards the facility, HMP officials, any HMP class or any race team on any public internet forum or website by anyone associated with any team (see 22a above) will result in that driver being banned from the facility. Wow so exactly how are we supposed to control what someone else is free to think and say. I think thats going a tad bit overboard. To meif someone ends up getting banned or loses a tight points battle then its only asking for trouble....JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmbishop Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I cherish freedom of speech. I love my family. I love racing. however If I were to blast my wife or her family on a public forum I know for a fact our relationship would be over - she would quite frankly ban me. Whats the difference? No relationship - including track membership is guaranteed by any clause of the constitution that grants me the right of free speech. So it is up to ME to make sure I balance the importance of these things. Any one that wants to bash a track, the "family" members created therein or even a forum created to facilitate family discussions (much like a sunday at the dinner table) - can, you have the right to speak your mind. Most definately no one is taking that right from anybody. Just don't be suprised that if you can't do so in a civilized and respectful manner - that you end divorced or asked to leave. Same rules my teenager had to learn (and ummm an even harder headed teenage self many years ago). Why are so many adults still unable to comprehend this? What I find sad is the need to make a rule warning of what I would expect to be consequences without even saying for lapses in common respect. Disrespect someone by calling them or their family members names and EXPECT - or even DEMAND them to invite you back to their home? jeez what is this world coming to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SASPEEDRACER24 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 No sir, I sure haven't noticed that phenomenon. For instance, take a look at the number of posts made by folks in this particular thread. Most have over 100 posts. In fact, most have over 1,000 posts! Debwill 3,790 PAPA 1,867 LoTech 8,573 Sergeant 38 jracer98 1,043 reb 9,820 fast18 2,268 jwmbiship 523 poorboy 1,434 Mary Ann Naumann 330 NickHolt 13,570 Budman 4,409 crazyhorse 3,294 SASPEEDRACER24 2,246 thumper 1,107 ProTree 2,890 Kathy 2,123 FitchRacer07 300 racer61 1,489 racer88 38 Nick Id say there are a lot if intelligent people in that list especially if you take me out of it lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SASPEEDRACER24 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I cherish freedom of speech. I love my family. I love racing. however If I were to blast my wife or her family on a public forum I know for a fact our relationship would be over - she would quite frankly ban me. Whats the difference? No relationship - including track membership is guaranteed by any clause of the constitution that grants me the right of free speech. So it is up to ME to make sure I balance the importance of these things. Any one that wants to bash a track, the "family" members created therein or even a forum created to facilitate family discussions (much like a sunday at the dinner table) - can, you have the right to speak your mind. Most definately no one is taking that right from anybody. Just don't be suprised that if you can't do so in a civilized and respectful manner - that you end divorced or asked to leave. Same rules my teenager had to learn (and ummm an even harder headed teenage self many years ago). Why are so many adults still unable to comprehend this? What I find sad is the need to make a rule warning of what I would expect to be consequences without even saying for lapses in common respect. Disrespect someone by calling them or their family members names and EXPECT - or even DEMAND them to invite you back to their home? jeez what is this world coming to. The problem to me is the vagueness of the rule because it says nothing about civil discussion or not it basically says you cant excessively be negative. So even if you try to be civil about it at some point it will be excessive the problem is where is that point. To me there are way too many people who at the local level from Late Models down to go carts that tend to take things way too serious and loose the fun in doing what we all enjoy to do. No rule no track is ever going to have that go away. If you go to your local track you know who they are they are at every track some are really good people who sometimes don't think before they act. Heck a lot of the time the worst offenders sit in the stands and say things that would make Nick blush but they come back week after week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I just appreciate mary ann and debbie tending to the pot while we were away racing today.. Its important to keep stiring to prevent burning and sticking to the bottom.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecar25 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 really? cant believe i read that. loss of points because of words? my gosh i for sure wont be going to thunder hill. these rules are out of hand. what next......this is so freaking funny yet stupid......texas racing just gets worse and worse.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 COME ON NICK . ..LO.TECH.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 HUMOR With apologies to 60 Minutes and Andy Rooney....Have you noticed the rise in new yet unfamiliar Member posting personas that have zero posts? Gee...I wonder why folks would do that ? Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 My question is who is going to police this on Facebook or any other websites besides this one. You can just remove certain people from face book and block your profile where outside people cant read it or if your on a a different website you could have a screen name and talk like you were there watching but actually be you. Is THR going to a have a cyber official that their sole job is to be monitoring all the websites and forums looking for negative posts. The other question is how many from people from HMP actually got busted by this rule in the past two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemdk Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 First off, In my opinion you look at the NASCAR rule book at it's under actions detrimental to the sport and that's what it really is and those drivers are getting a large fine. Maybe the folks on here that think this is a bad thing would agree to a fine. The thing I think should be re-worded is that family and friends. How this reads to me is that if someone who happens to be a friend of mine comes on any public forum and blasts a track then I'm held liable for that in the event they happen to mention my name, yet I have no control over what someone says or does and I dont have the time to monitor like nick. This is an open forum for discussion and sometimes the conversations get heated but its becuase of the passion for the sport and the passion that each person on this forum has for what they do. We shouldn't bash what any of these great people at the tracks are doing for our sport and to help us keep racing but on the other hand it may be their playground but we're the ones bringing all the toys and the show. There needs to be joint communication and an open communication between the tracks, owners and drivers. Again, this is just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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