Montgomery Motorhead Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Just wondering everyone's opinion of which short track Late Model Asphalt touring series do they think is the best at the present time. In my opinion, I would think that it is the CRA Series. They always have good car counts and their races are very competitive. They have numerous different winners in their series each year.....................The PASS north series is another good touring series...........The CRA Series reminds me of the old All Pro Series that was owned by Bob Harmon years ago. Bob Harmon's All Pro Series was probably about the best short track asphalt series that there has ever been and the old ASA series that was owned by Rex Robbins would rank right up there with it........Both of these series provided the fans with some great racing back in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I think definitely CRA. They run super late model type cars and they have 4 or 5 different motor combinations you can run so car counts are always high. The drivers drive clean and respect each other and tend to have very few cautions. They bring their own officials, so consistency is the name of the game. Jason and I attended a CRA race over the 4th weekend at Angola Motor Speedway. 34 cars started the 125 lap feature and 32 finished with only 4 or 5 cautions-all minor. Wish they came to Texas----but then again, you'd need more than 2 tracks to make it a touring series wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vir Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Come on Motorhead, you know the Blizzard series at FFs is by far the best. Most of those CRA drivers, I said most, cannot compete with the drivers who run the Snowball Derby. I see Boris Jurcovic won the last CRA race. He was beaten so bad at the Derby he never came back. I can't remember a CRA driver ever winning at the Derby. They do have good car counts, as does the Blizzard, but how many of them have recognizable names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97car Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 You would need 32 cars to start with, much less finish a race here in Texas, they started 34 in a race here and only 13 finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landlord Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Come on Motorhead, you know the Blizzard series at FFs is by far the best. Most of those CRA drivers, I said most, cannot compete with the drivers who run the Snowball Derby. I see Boris Jurcovic won the last CRA race. He was beaten so bad at the Derby he never came back. I can't remember a CRA driver ever winning at the Derby. They do have good car counts, as does the Blizzard, but how many of them have recognizable names? I was going to say the Blizzard and Miller lite series.Both have good car counts and more importantly heavy hittin racecar drivers/teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecar25 Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 i like the pass north series and asa midwest tour the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landlord Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 i like the pass north series and asa midwest tour the best Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecar25 Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 oh sorry...because the pass north provides great racing and there car counts are good plus the drivers there like d. ramstrom, the rowe's, and cassius clark. it is a shame that half there races are cancleed due to rain! LOL and as far as the midwest tour it draws many cars and the tracks they run on are just awesome. the drivers are pretty good themselves.. and its good to see johnny sauter back in the 43!!! just overall good racing and i know good racing is everywhere but for me right now pass north and asa midwest are my favs. hope all that made since LOL...... calvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 The ACT tour and/or the PASS North series are pretty hard to beat these days if you're into very close racing with very experienced, respectful drivers. If you're into a bit rougher racing, the ASALMs is the way to go expecially if you enjoy seeing inexperienced, raw talent battling without much regard for each other's race cars. Personally, I think the PASS North tour is the top asphalt short track series this season. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Motorhead Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I will agree that the PASS North Series is a very good touring series. The Rowes and the Clarks are awesome in that series. About the only time we get to see those guys race is either the AA400 or the Snowball Derby. They very seldom come down this far during the season. I got to meet Ben Rowe at the Rattler a couple years ago and also got to meet Cassisus Clark at the Snowball Derby two years ago.............The Southern All Stars used to be a very strong SLM touring series in our area at one time until they folded up a few years ago. Sure wish someone would start up another 100% SLM touring series again in the Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee area.....................The SLM's put on some great shows at Five Flags Speedway and Mobile Speedway and South Alabama Speedway. The SLM's have always been my favorite class of short track racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racedude Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Why would someone from the deep South pick a SLM Series North as one of the best? Obviously the ones voting have not been to Five Flags, Mobile or South Alabama? I feel those races are as good as it gets. But maybe because its some Texas drivers mixing it up - I could care less about PASS North - Those guys haven't been able to compete at the Derby - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Motorhead Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Racedude...............I am not talking about a track that has their own little four or five race series. I am speaking of a touring series that has about 15 to 18 races scheduled each year on about eight to ten different race tracks. The SLM's are my favorites on the short tracks and that is why I picked the CRA Series. The SLM PASS North series ranks right up there with the CRA.........As for the PASS North guys not being able to compete at the Snowball Derby it is true that none of them have ever won it but both of the Clarks have had good finishes in the Derby and they always seem to qualify in the top ten or twelve everytime they come to the Derby. Like I said before I believe the best asphalt SLM touring series there has ever been was Bob Harmon's All Pro Super Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Why would someone from the deep South pick a SLM Series North as one of the best? Obviously the ones voting have not been to Five Flags, Mobile or South Alabama? I feel those races are as good as it gets. But maybe because its some Texas drivers mixing it up - I could care less about PASS North - Those guys haven't been able to compete at the Derby - OK. But turn it around, racedude. Check out the Banknorth events at Oxford Plains or the big shows at any of the tracks up north. Many of the top teams from the deep South who have made the trip north to PASS/ACT country have had trouble. It's just apples and oranges. I know what you're saying though, but IMHO your argument doesn't hold water unless you believe that "loyalty" should overide reality. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 you keep comparing good series to the derby, why? The best every derby winner (imo) didnt compete in any series. So who can win it should not be a factor. So to me, the ASA was probably the best only by its length of time running. You cant be around that long and not be doing something right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landlord Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 If you look at the derby entries year in and year out,everyone thats anyone in LM racing is there.It's the one race that all the big teams show up for so why not compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clear Lake Race Fan Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 you keep comparing good series to the derby, why? The best every derby winner (imo) didnt compete in any series. So who can win it should not be a factor. So to me, the ASA was probably the best only by its length of time running. You cant be around that long and not be doing something right. Racer61 - Just wondering who you consider to be the best to ever win the SBD that didn't run a series? Niedecken Sr.? Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vir Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Wayne Niedecken Sr. gets my vote for the best driver to ever run the SBD, the most prestigious race in short track SLM racing. I don't know if Wayne drove in any tours or not, but I know he drove on tracks all over the SE. I used to take CLRF to see him run at MIS when Wayne was almost unbeatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 you keep comparing good series to the derby, why? The best every derby winner (imo) didnt compete in any series. So who can win it should not be a factor. So to me, the ASA was probably the best only by its length of time running. You cant be around that long and not be doing something right. Racer61 - Just wondering who you consider to be the best to ever win the SBD that didn't run a series? Niedecken Sr.? Danny The only 5 time winner. And I belive the winner of the only 125,000 dollar derby. Mr Rich Bickle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDaddy Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Why would someone from the deep South pick a SLM Series North as one of the best? Obviously the ones voting have not been to Five Flags, Mobile or South Alabama? I feel those races are as good as it gets. But maybe because its some Texas drivers mixing it up - I could care less about PASS North - Those guys haven't been able to compete at the Derby - Cassius Clark clearly had the best car in the early laps of the derby last year until being taken out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clear Lake Race Fan Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I had actually typed Bickle as my second guess, but erased it because I thought he drove in the Nascar Truck Series. I think the last time Bickle ran was when Ricky Turner won. Bickle had a car to win with, but his crew put on a wrong tire. Listening to the scanner it was obvious that he was not pleased, to say the least. Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I had actually typed Bickle as my second guess, but erased it because I thought he drove in the Nascar Truck Series. I think the last time Bickle ran was when Ricky Turner won. Bickle had a car to win with, but his crew put on a wrong tire. Listening to the scanner it was obvious that he was not pleased, to say the least. Danny When was that. I dont think Bickle has competed since 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clear Lake Race Fan Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 2002 , but I've been wrong before. Maybe Snowball or TXTom can verify or refute. Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clear Lake Race Fan Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) 2002 , but I've been wrong before. Maybe Snowball or TXTom can verify or refute. Danny Edited. Deleted article. I could not find article again to add proper credits for the article. Thanks, Danny Edited July 19, 2008 by Clear Lake Race Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I have split off the posts about Kyle Busch and his plans to compete with the Snowball to another thread in the Texas Auto Racing section. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txtom Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Cory, I noticed on a result page that Rick Bickle raced in the Slinger Nationals last weekend. Finish showed him 15th. Matt Kenseth won it and also set fast time, at 11.359 seconds. That is on a high banked 1/4 mile, and the 11.3 is not a typo. It ain't even near the track record. To tell ya how fast Slinger is, The late model record is 11.095, set by Tony Strupp in 1994. The all time track record is held by Tracy Hines, who ran a midget around there in 10.845. On a 1/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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