SASPEEDRACER24 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Click here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 yeah he was probably a moderator on that situation. good job nick, did you start telling him about moment centers and about 15 minutes later he told you to get out with the hostages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 yeah he was probably a moderator on that situation. good job nick, did you start telling him about moment centers and about 15 minutes later he told you to get out with the hostages? Mark, That's "moment arms," not moment centers... next time don't fall asleep in class.. LOL Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 It's little known around here, but Nick really goes up to Maine each summer to vacation with the Bush's and generally hob-knob with all his other ultra-wealthy friends in "New England High Society" at Kinnebunkport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Buddy, It's really spelled Kennebunkport. And it's pronounced Kenny Bunk Pawt. But your right about me hanging with all the important people. I know several of the local racers and my best buddy up here is known far and wide as the best clam digger in the county. And, of course, I had dinner with the bushes last night if you consider broccoli a bush... LOL. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 see there - that is how he got them released. aggravated the fire out of him with constant correcting and he got frustrated and gave up. you mean there isn't a moment center to the moment arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 you mean there isn't a moment center to the moment arm? There is a moment arm between the roll axis and the center of gravity height. And, of course, the roll axis is defined by the front and rear roll centers. And, of course, the front roll center is partially defined by the instant centers of the linkages. You were probably snoring pretty good through that session, eh? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landlord Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 you mean there isn't a moment center to the moment arm? There is a moment arm between the roll axis and the center of gravity height. And, of course, the roll axis is defined by the front and rear roll centers. And, of course, the front roll center is partially defined by the instant centers of the linkages. You were probably snoring pretty good through that session, eh? Nick Maybe he got it confused with the "Polar Moment". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoom Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Heck yeah but I snored pretty soft so I wouldn't wake up the rest of the class. Naahhh, I know the polar moment is actually the minute center since everyone knows the polar opposite of the moment center is the minute center. Now, the actuarial moment arm of the minute moment would equate to 4" below sea level which can move laterally and transversly in opposite (thus polar) directions simultaneously while maintaining it's center of balance with the horizontal verticees that make up center of gravity in the polar minute which is created by the moment arms elbow attached at the knuckle thereby giving you a complete opposite affect at the instant that the center is created which began back when the coupler began its polar movement to the opposite pole and the equatorial movement thus created increases downforce of the instant moment arms center which pulls in polar directions to the forward momentum and that will only increase as the lateral forces are multiplied by a factor of 2.23 thus you have a great handling thing. See there - I didn't sleep through it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey741 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Are you sure that wasn't a Bi-Polar moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Actually, Zoom has lots of moments, but "polar" isn't one of them... LOL.. I owed you one Mark.. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zoom Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 At least I don't have the "senior " moments that you seem to go through all the time. You can owe me another one now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps22 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Hey Mark be careful with those "senior" moments Make sure that cannon is squarely aimed at NICK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 hell i just had a backside moment .. sorry movement .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landlord Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Heck yeah but I snored pretty soft so I wouldn't wake up the rest of the class. Naahhh, I know the polar moment is actually the minute center since everyone knows the polar opposite of the moment center is the minute center. Now, the actuarial moment arm of the minute moment would equate to 4" below sea level which can move laterally and transversly in opposite (thus polar) directions simultaneously while maintaining it's center of balance with the horizontal verticees that make up center of gravity in the polar minute which is created by the moment arms elbow attached at the knuckle thereby giving you a complete opposite affect at the instant that the center is created which began back when the coupler began its polar movement to the opposite pole and the equatorial movement thus created increases downforce of the instant moment arms center which pulls in polar directions to the forward momentum and that will only increase as the lateral forces are multiplied by a factor of 2.23 thus you have a great handling thing. See there - I didn't sleep through it all I don't know if your clowning or what, but there really is a "polar moment". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I don't know if your clowning or what, but there really is a "polar moment". Would Zoom ever clown around? Naw... Yes, polar moment (usually referred to as "the polar moment of inertia" in racing circles) is easily demonstrated. Hang 150 pounds of lead on the rear bumper and go full-bore through turn one/two and hang on! On dirt, this works great for getting the ass end hanging out, but on asphalt it's usually preferable to keep the polar moment as low as possible and use springs, shocks, cross weight, rear steer and rear roll center heights to produce the amount of oversteer you prefer. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest huff37 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 you mean there isn't a moment center to the moment arm? There is a moment arm between the roll axis and the center of gravity height. And, of course, the roll axis is defined by the front and rear roll centers. And, of course, the front roll center is partially defined by the instant centers of the linkages. You were probably snoring pretty good through that session, eh? Nick Maybe he got it confused with the "Polar Moment". Thanks to Zoom for the explanation! Now why in the world could'nt Nick have explained it that clearly? As i sat in class i thought he said "old sinner" i guess he musta said roll center, but i thought he was making a direct reference to me. Then when he said leaf spring it sounded a lot like "lets pray" so i bowed my head. When he got to roll couple distribution i was firmy convinced that he was trying to get me to change my wicked ways. I wondered how he could have found out about {edited out before nick had a chance} but i swear i never did it again. But my question to Nick is since i missed a few things in the seminar can i do the next one at half price if i promise to get new glasses and fresh batteries for my earing aids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 But my question to Nick is since i missed a few things in the seminar can i do the next one at half price if i promise to get new glasses and fresh batteries for my earing aids? A few things, James? Just a few? Since you've only got one feature win this year at HMP and zero at THR so far, I figure you missed more than just a few things. As Larry Bendele is so fond of saying, "I can teach it to you but I can't learn it for you." So, here's the deal. I'll only charge you double at the next Houston suspension engineering seminar in spite of everything... But if your good-looking crew chief (Hi Janette!) comes with you, she's half price! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjf Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 But my question to Nick is since i missed a few things in the seminar can i do the next one at half price if i promise to get new glasses and fresh batteries for my earing aids? A few things, James? Just a few? Since you've only got one feature win this year at HMP and zero at THR so far, I figure you missed more than just a few things. As Larry Bendele is so fond of saying, "I can teach it to you but I can't learn it for you." So, here's the deal. I'll only charge you double at the next Houston suspension engineering seminar in spite of everything... But if your good-looking crew chief (Hi Janette!) comes with you, she's half price! Nick THAT SOUNDE LIKE SEXUAL HARASSMENT! OH AND ISN'T ASS SWEARING? JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 THAT SOUNDE LIKE SEXUAL HARASSMENT! OH AND ISN'T ASS SWEARING? JK Nope. She hasn't harassed me - - yet. Yep. Ass is swearing. Don't use the word on here please. LOL Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termite#99 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) you mean there isn't a moment center to the moment arm? There is a moment arm between the roll axis and the center of gravity height. And, of course, the roll axis is defined by the front and rear roll centers. And, of course, the front roll center is partially defined by the instant centers of the linkages. You were probably snoring pretty good through that session, eh? Nick This is the kind of stuff my brother talks about in the shop. Most of the time he knows he may as well be talking to himself because I have that deer in the headlight look. Edited July 2, 2008 by termite#99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 you mean there isn't a moment center to the moment arm? There is a moment arm between the roll axis and the center of gravity height. And, of course, the roll axis is defined by the front and rear roll centers. And, of course, the front roll center is partially defined by the instant centers of the linkages. You were probably snoring pretty good through that session, eh? Nick This is the kind of stuff my brother talks about in the shop. Most of the time he knows he may as well be talking to himself because I have that deer in the headlight look. LOL I'll get you learned up someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 LOL I'll get you learned up someday. When Chase went to the seminar, he paid attention. Actually, he knew most of the stuff I teach already and usually had a question or two for me after class that went way deeper than the subject at hand than I could possibly cover in only 18 classroom hours. Frankly, Chase could teach the course. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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