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Craftmen Truck times

Pole 15.79 sec

 

Bush Series

Pole 15.7?????

 

Nextel COT car slower than Craftmen Truck.

Pole 16.016 Kane

 

ASA Late Model

Pole 15.364 Jacob Goede

 

ASA Car can catch and lap a Nextel cup car in 25 laps.

 

1/2 the horsepower

Engine cost $6000 ASA $50,000 +? Cup Car

1/4 of the cost for ASA Car

2700 lbs ASA car verses 3400 lbs Cup car

 

No point for this post just thought that this was some pretty cool stats.

 

Insert your "yea but's" and not apples to apples now

 

Kirby Caldwell #67

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i talked to colt the fri. of asa practice from bristol and that was mentioned- brad don't make me bring up the definition of ;brad ,,,again. no yea BUTS..........it is just plain faster than the "elite" series. hell it was faster than every series......makes you wonder why they are so "elite".

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Think I seen some of the practice times for the ASALM were a bit faster than the qualifying time, but of course anyone could have been a little sneaky. lol The All Pro Series pole in 2002 was 15.944. They used restrictor plates for that race. Dick Anderson had the record for the Slim Jim All Pro series with a 15.532, 123.539 mph on 6/26/95. Not sure if they had the same rules package or restrictor plates.

 

Did the resurfacing change the turns to 26° banking, instead of the 36° banking advertised or has it been like this before?

 

here is a story link to the 2002 race. Chris Davidson led several laps, but had motor issues and a tire going down. Joe Aramendia also raced, think he was involved in an accident. think I saw the race on Speed Channel.

 

http://www.hoosiertire.com/allp8222.HTM

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The LMs run 3 link rear suspension.Maybe they hook-up a little more off the corners.I don't know what to say about the trucks!!!!

How much less do the lm's weigh vs. the cup COT? I'd be willing to bet it's less.

 

Kirby said that the ASA cars weigh 2700 and the cup cars weigh 3400.

 

Big difference

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If I am not mistaken the ASA cars are offset chassis vs. cup cars being perimeter helps on left side weight and the COT is supposed to be alot safer at those speeds as well...

anything would be safer if you slow it down.......maybe it's not engineering safety,,,,,,it's safety slowing down the engineer.

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It still is amazing to me that a COT car weighing 700 lbs more with 400 more HP is still slower than a ASA late model. Obviously Weight verses HP is not linear.

Still no matter what it's really cool that ASA cars are faster.

Milwaukee Mile Qualifing Times

29.530 ASA Late Models

29.608 Bush Series

29.780 Craftmen Truck Series

 

The HP shows up on the bigger tracks but ASA still faster at a fraction of the cost.

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It still is amazing to me that a COT car weighing 700 lbs more with 400 more HP is still slower than a ASA late model. Obviously Weight verses HP is not linear.

Still no matter what it's really cool that ASA cars are faster.

Milwaukee Mile Qualifing Times

29.530 ASA Late Models

29.608 Bush Series

29.780 Craftmen Truck Series

 

The HP shows up on the bigger tracks but ASA still faster at a fraction of the cost.

 

It's like the first time the Grand National series came to THR. I was surprised to see that they weren't much faster than the TSRS cars at first. Of course, the second year they came, they were quite a bit faster than the first year. The ASA and super late model cars are definately short track specialists.

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Did the resurfacing change the turns to 26° banking, instead of the 36° banking advertised or has it been like this before?

 

Interesting excerpt from an article by Bob Zeller in the August '07 issue of Speedway Illustrated.

 

"The vaunted high banks of Bristol will return, but they will not be 36 degrees. As it turns out, they never have been 36 degrees. Ryan Newman outed that little secret with no small amoujnt of pique, revealing in 2004 that his team had measured the banking and it was actually only 26 degrees.

 

All these years we thought Bristol had the highest bankes in NASCAR, an in fact they're only the third steepest, behind Talladega (33 degrees) and Daytona (31 degrees). Bristol officials don't deny Newman's assertion, but prefer not to discuss it.

 

The new banking will be greater than 30 degrees at its steepest point at the top of the track, and will be six degrees less, or about 24 degrees, at the bottom. Thus, the new track will be slightly steeper than the old track at the top, and slightly flatter at the bottom."

 

Also talks about how the track was convex in the corners, with less banking in the middle than there was on the bottom or top.

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