Rick Day Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) Just to let everyone know, I have been in contact with Brian and Mary Ann at Thunder Hill. We have a meeting on Tuesday to work on some dates at THR. Also I have made contact with Don Yockum and Dan at Corpus Cristi about some races there next year also. So far all the parties involved are real responsive and things look good. AS for HMP, Debbie and Myself have tried again. And still the response NO thanks. they want nothing to do with USRA as long as current management/ownership is in place. IT is funny how they advertise on a board owned by the same people. Edited November 20, 2006 by Rick Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhcougs Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 AS for HMP, Debbie and Myself have tried again. And still the response HELL NO. they want nothing to do with USRA as long as current management/ownership is in place. IT is funny how they advertise on a board owned by the same people. They don't get on here and mud sling though. Could have just said "still unable to reach an agreement" or something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitive Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 They don't come on this forum and explain to everyone their reasoning either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueoval Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) I agree with UHCougs. They also dont need to explain their reasoning especially if it has something to do with the management of USRA. That says enough! Edited November 18, 2006 by NickHolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 I remember when we were all working together 2 years ago. Man what happened. Oh I know what happened! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direct-flo Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 I think Rick is just laying it on the table, good or bad. We all get excited when we feel we are not being told everything. Well now they are being up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram#9 Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 i think if you want nothing to do with somebody or some organization you shouldn't use there resources to help yourself, because in essence your saying as long as it benefits me then there ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 this is a racing site , right? suppose to be unbiased(or so it has been said). tx speed zone and usra are seperate from each other. they don't want usra there , so now you say punish the guest and veiwers of this board by neglecting them of information about up coming events that they might have interest in??????what a joke. i applaude tx speed zone letting them post(not advertise) useful info to the racing public. ................and i'm soory rick , but my opinion is that you are trying to make them out as the bad guy with some of what you posted , and that is kinda childish. all this he said , she said [edited out by Nick Holt, 11/18/06] is annoying to , if something doesn't come to a head and get worked out soon you will have killed the truck series , and i don't care whose fault it is you are all guilty. so buck up and work together or let the [edited out by Nick Holt, 11/18/06] die. ? that's like saying i can't drink coke because i work for pepsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic Racing Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 I believe there is alot more to the past dealings between HMP management and USRA. Probably still some hard feelings. I do not believe the current management will ever get on the same page with USRA. If everyone knew the whole truth you would not be surprised why an agreement can not be reached. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 This is bound to be an emotionally charged thread, but please refrain from bashing and cussing. Thanks. Nick Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon 7 Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 This is just my opinion, I have nothing to do with USRA, but did run with an organization that failed due to management or lack of. It is pretty obvious that HMP is not the only one that has a problem with USRA, racers have a problem too. Look at the car count!!! From what I see with HMP, they work with the racers, do not know about USRA. I know HMP has been open to work with people this year, they let us start a new class that started with 6 cars, and currently has 15 that raced in 2006 and will race in 2007. There are about 10 other cars ready or near ready for 2007. Thank you HMP for your support. USRA, I wish you the best of luck, I really enjoy watching the trucks and mods and hope to see them at HMP. I also enjoy the SLM, but I like the trucks a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueoval Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Speed Demon is right. HMP has their act together. Not too sure about USRA however. I miss the days of Romco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcellracing Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Rick, Thank you for all the efforts you have put forth to expanding this year to other tracks and good luck. Seems like some people have all the answers so I have a few questions for them. Horse, who is the you in ".....you are all guilty? the rest I agree with you on just wondering who you think is to blame? Speed demon, What are exactly some of the problems that racers have with USRA? OK Jason please tell us what exactly happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) Horse, who is the you in ".....you are all guilty? the rest I agree with you on just wondering who you think is to blame? anyone that has involvement with scheduling races...................usra,THR,HMP,CCS. ? someone stated all the tracks get along with each other , except for usra and san antonio? why. i'm not bashing usra , but these tracks worked with them(usra) and each other last season. so why are they still working with each other and not usra. from where i stand usra did something to alienate itself ,and now they better bribe ,butt kiss, brown nose their way back into good standings if they want this thing to succeed. if you keep telling people one by one you don't need them , sooner or later you will run out of people to tell that to thus allienating youself to your own little spot , that's not good if you are a TOURING SERIES. rusty ,(youre my bud and all) but you are in denial if you don't think racers of the series have had issues with the management of the series , i'm one of those drivers that was told i wasn't needed and i should go elsewhere. i'm just one in a long list. but i'm over that and realize that for the sake of the class i love i have to be more grown up than the person that said that and show up to race , whether i like him or not. but all i see on the horizon is the death of this class if some people don't choke on their pride. ps- sorry i cussed nick......i thought about it , realized it , came back to edit it , but you beat me to it Edited November 18, 2006 by Crazyhorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arts22 Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 RUSTY, Why dont you tell us why everyone has left the usra and went to another series? I DONT NEED YOU, NUFF SAID.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcellracing Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Horse, You are definatly my bud. I believe that racers have some problems with usra (not denying it) just quetioning as to what. If everyone were more like you and just came to race, our series wouldnt go anywhere. I believe it is the drivers that make the series not the owner just like its the people that make up America not the president. if everyone that didnt like Bush left we would lose a lot of people. So thank you Shawn for returning to what you are so very passionate about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KISS_Racing Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 RUSTY, Why dont you tell us why everyone has left the usra and went to another series? I DONT NEED YOU, NUFF SAID.................... smarty pants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcellracing Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Shane, I dont believe that TD just walked up to random people and blurted out "I dont need you" without some sort of provocation or reasoning. I know this to be a fact cuz i was present in one of these conversations. Maybe not yours but someones. So next time you post his quote " I dont need you" lets here the whole conversation from the beginning that way we can get the whole story not just the one sentence that pissed you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 R.....E......S.....P.....E....C....T Thats all it takes... Its great to see Rick and Deb out trying to rebuild relationships.... Hope they can succeed.. But first step to do it is being respectfull, Honest, and Sincere.. To me.. if you want to rebuild with HMS.. I wouldn't have put "HELL NO" for an answer in this public forum.. Something like... Working to re-establish a relationship, May not get scheduled for 2007 is a whole lot more professional... All said with respect.. Rick and Debbie have come a long way in a few months at SAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhorse Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 sorry rusty...........all you pretty much had to do was disagree with him on something (i.e. anything). not even from an arguemental stand point , just a difference of opinion. but people need to try and forget about what has happened and try to work for the better interest of this class if nothing else. but rick's post and he's wording assure me that will not happen. finger pointing and trying to lay blame is only going to divide it , and then it is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Day Posted November 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Shane, I dont believe that TD just walked up to random people and blurted out "I dont need you" without some sort of provocation or reasoning. I know this to be a fact cuz i was present in one of these conversations. Maybe not yours but someones. So next time you post his quote " I dont need you" lets here the whole conversation from the beginning that way we can get the whole story not just the one sentence that pissed you off. I thought I cleaned it up and clear it up at the same time. Grahams answer for his brother had alot more choice words in it. Beside i dont believe in sugar coating, just couldnt use his exact words. AS for working with people, I have tried all year. Actually think i have a pretty good relationship with THR and working on CCS. I would love to work things out with HMP but it looks like that cant be done. I feel that we have done a good job with most of the USRA series, the modified counts are back up, trucks went down in the middle of the season and started to come back. I know more will be back next year, just converting to the 350. As for Super Late Models we are not the only ones that the car counts are down. NASCAR has droped the Autozone Elite Series for SLM all together, Florida just ran their Triple crown and Bronson Speedway on Saturday night only had 8 cars(yes guys) 8 cars and only 3 drivers ran the entire Triple crown. Concord's Big Ten series was dropped because of low car counts. Southern All Stars is done and going to the All American Outlaw series. So we all need to look further than our back yards and see that the SLM's are in trouble all over not just USRA. Yes we are working with Pensacola for next year, and yes i know people on here say we need to work with our own and not work with anyone outside Texas. Hell Five Flags and the CRA are the only one's really getting any cars to their events for Super Late Models. I contacted CRA per TD's request and they want almost 70K for a NON Points event. So if anyone has any ideas please feel free to call me, if you dont have the cell phone number it is 210-827-4524. WE were told pay more money and more cars would come, we did that payed 5K to win and750 to start and didnt have any more than normal. So pick up the phone and call. Terry, myself and Debbie are all trying our best to turn things around. it was nice to see Shawn Paul back, and look forward to them running next year. Shawn come on back and go for the championship, you were in the running before things went south. I agree with Shawn sometimes we have to overlook things for the betterment of the series. Cause sometimes things are said and miscontrude in the heat of the moment. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arts22 Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Shane, I dont believe that TD just walked up to random people and blurted out "I dont need you" without some sort of provocation or reasoning. I know this to be a fact cuz i was present in one of these conversations. Maybe not yours but someones. So next time you post his quote " I dont need you" lets here the whole conversation from the beginning that way we can get the whole story not just the one sentence that pissed you off. Rusty, Im not pissed off, I think its funny how all the "pro-usra folks" that bashed me when I said something a year ago, their saying the same thing now..... There is one reason why the majority left the series...... You can blame whomever or whatever you want if that makes you feel better..... The Bakers are a class act and I think you can appreciate them, considering you wanted to run at HMP and they are giving you the chance. Who knows the Texas Truck Series might be a pretty cool deal..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORSEPOWER Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 The one thing we know for sure on here is that THR and CC are in the works and HMP is out. If Rick and the USRA have been calling and trying to set something up and all they get is the same answer, without probably not even getting a chance to put anything on the table, I can understand why this post was put on here, just to let the public know that nothing will happen this year, so quit beating around the bush. Houston has started their own stuff and sure they will do what it takes to keep what they are trying to build, and keeping USRA out is only going to help what they are trying to build locally. Of course any regular in the USRA touring series who makes a trip to Houston will be invited with opened hands and make the best of it to keep having them come out more often. That's exactly what every track has to do with any of the drivers who make an effort to race at their facility. USRA just has to put this behind them, move on, and try to build itself back up again, where possibly in the near future this track or other tracks will want their show in town. Someone trying to build another series in the area with the same type of cars will not be good. I think if you get something going like a CRA non-points race will be good for the track. Some times you got to pay the price for those things and it will benefit you later on in the future. Lets see $20 average per ticket, 3,500 fans(standing room only, it can be done if 60 SLM's show up), equals to $70,000. Maybe you can just create your own and think it will succeed. If the Big Shot was at SAS, think it will still be happening. Put a purse structure that will pay the same money throughout the entire season and I think cars will show, not just one or 2 events. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.j.&s.racing Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 (edited) when waine ran tams the bakers wanted us to race there and they wanted tams to pay there own purse. the series was unable to do that .if im not mistaken jerry shields help come up with the purse money for our first race there. then we get there and this 30 dollar car fee comes up. after the race waine told abunch at the motel that if he had his way we would not come back .but they called and begged us to race there and we did i love that track.its real nice place and i have family there that would come watch us.this year some of the guys that were in tams came to the first usra race talked to me about running arace or 2 there they said that the weeks would not interfear with each other, they mostly were on the same night and its the tire deal.please dont say im a usra suck a$$. houston has alot of fast cars and good drivers from that area rick knows how much im in his face on a race night.please houston lets try get 1 race there cc speedway also help out the local mods. Edited November 19, 2006 by j.j.&s.racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Ford Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 (edited) "I feel that we have done a good job with most of the USRA series, the modified counts are back up, trucks went down in the middle of the season and started to come back. I know more will be back next year, just converting to the 350. " -Rick, have the rules changed to we have to run the 350 in the trucks, or do we still have options? What has/will change for the trucks? "So we all need to look further than our back yards and see that the SLM's are in trouble all over not just USRA." -JMHO: I'm going to say this with the upmost sincerety and I do not take aim to offend. Rick; honestly, if you did look in your back yard you may find a field of 20+ SLMs if you could incorporate TIDA / ROMCO type cars. There are a lot of good cars just sitting 'cause no ABC body or because of certain engine rules, and rules changes priced them out. You would be suprised on how many there really are and honestly it is those types of cars that can make USRA bigger and better. I honestly do not see FL or AL teams coming to TX to race for $5k to win. Throw out $7500-$10k then maybe...yea...I can see that. On the other hand, if you can find a way to incorporate these cars I believe your car count problem would be solved. On the note of offering the $5k to win and car count did not increase.....well if you have to make several thousand dollars worth of changes to your car (when it ran just fine before) only to meet a new rule or rules, $5k to win isn't so attractive. Also, if I remember right, the $5k to win was only announced 3 weeks before the event. Hey, glad ya'll did it, but it really didn't leave enough time to get the word out properly. If the purse was posted up front at the beginning of the season, it would attract more cars to the big $ races. I can honestly tell you I know of 3 SLM teams which are part-timers that didn't even know about the THR season ending race. Everybody has their opinion on the subject and whether I totally agree with it or not is not the point. At least USRA is trying to make a move towards increased car counts. It may not be the right avenue for an immediate increase, but maybe over the next few years it'll pan out and be successful. I wish only the best for the series. Rick, I'll try to get on the horn w/ ya this week. Edited November 19, 2006 by Lonesome Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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