marc200mph Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Issue with #29 and #31 cars after race at NHIS: FoxSports/Speed's Bob Dilner reports: have learned that there was an issue with the winning car of #29-Kevin Harvick and also his teammate, #31-Jeff Burton, in postrace tech [at New Hampshire Intl Speedway in the Cup race]. That issue surrounded the actual [wheel] rim of the race car. The team apparently manipulated that rim to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In English, it was performance advantage for the RCR team. Now, it was not against anything in the rule book so there won't be any fines or points penalties later on this week, but they have been told not to do it again.(more at Link to Fox Sports)(9-18-2006) Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kn1ghtblade Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Just proves if there is a grey area on anything in the rules the teams will exploit it... You know what can't fault them for it if it was stated they couldnt do it, just creative thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 RCR should of told NASCAR they're defectective rims,not bleeder valves,and let the argument begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps22 Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Harvick's crew cheif Todd Berrier already is in the NASCAR doghouse. Seems he and Chad Knaus are experts at exploiting "gray" areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc200mph Posted September 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Now that an unwritten rule has been broken, I bet there will be a new rule added to the rule book, if not this year, next! I was told one time by a promoter, "If it is not in the rule book, don't do it!" Right! I know the rule says no bleeder valves? But you know NASCAR come back will be it meant no automatic air pressure adjusting of any kind, closed system. (tire & Wheel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Oh,SMART THINKING by the way by RCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck38 Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 It is cheating to anyone who doesn't like Kevin Harvick. I'm glad they didn't penalize them because that's part of being creative however it only works until they change the rule book which it seems they'll do. No harm no foul in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hmmmmmm. The Hendrick 48 rear shock package was not illegal right up until the point that they changed the rule midstream and then it was. Same thing will happen here. I know that some tires were confiscated earlier this year when they were looking for micro holes drilled thru the carcas. Afterward they said (in effect) "no messing with the tire". So the racers started in on the rims. I'm suprised because it's a visible kind of thing (dismounted). My first thought would be to come up with a controlled leak built into a standard looking schrader valve in the valve stem. There's some deniability there. "Mr. Darby,Sir, I've had new schrader valves fail on my pickup." JMO Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Probably not the only team using them.... (The only ones that got caught). Betcha nobody will be using them at the next race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kn1ghtblade Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 This is a dumb question but what does bleeding the tires during a race acomplish as far as performance?? Wouldnt it eventually go flat? Or does it help the tires as you go and get them hot to bleed off some of the air? I just don't get it... Give that team an A for creativity though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc200mph Posted September 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 The plot thickens! NASCAR denies Speed TV report on Harvick, Burton By JIM UTTER jutter@charlotteobserver.com NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter on Monday called a Speed TV report claiming the sanctioning body found issues with the cars of Nextel Cup Series winner Kevin Harvick or his Richard Childress Racing teammate Jeff Burton "sheer fantasy." Speed TV reporter Bob Dillner reported late Sunday at New Hampshire that NASCAR officials had an issue with the wheel rims of both Harvick and Burtons' Chevrolets. In the report, Dillner said, "The team apparently manipulated that rim to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In English, it was performance advantage for the RCR team." Dillner went on to say the teams didn't break any rule, but "have been told not to do it again." Both NASCAR and RCR officials on Monday strongly denied the story. Hunter denied anyone with either team was admonished about any questionable part and said both cars "completely passed post race inspection." NASCAR officials Sunday night also announced all cars had passed post race inspection. RCR spokesman David Hart also denied either team had been directed by NASCAR not to bring a questionable part back to the race track. Hunter said Dillner did not ask anyone with NASCAR about the issue before his report aired. "If he had, we would have told him the same thing," Hunter said. "He didn't ask because he didn't want to know the answer. It was an example of sensational journalism at its worst." Email and voice mail messages left with Speed Channel officials were not immediately returned Monday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 It will be interesting to see whether Dillner will be issued NASCAR press credentials to future Cup events. A long, long time ago when I was working for the SA Light, I took exception to the speeds NA$CAR permitted on pit road (before the pit road speed limit) in one or two of my weekly motorsports columns. Mysteriously, I was not longer issued press credentials to Cup events after that. In the old days, NA$CAR kept tight control over what was said about NASCAR in the mainstream media. Well, at least until NA$CAR tried to lock out a Sports Illustrated reporter (can't remember his name, can you?) not so very long ago. The crap hit the fan and the SI reporter won. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBELRACER Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 i'd be surprised if he doesnt get some type of reprimand from that false accusation........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 or a new job with a top cup team running in the chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 tommy33, Is the long drive thing still on in Dallas this weekend? Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 NA$CAR I see this is catching on quickly. I knew I should have copyrighted it. DAMN! I'll bet we don't see Bob at any more NA$CAR events. I'd file it under cheating if it was obvious that the rim was manipulated. But that's just my opinion. knight, to answer your question an air bleeder helps keep tire pressure stable. The more air a tire builds from heat, the more it grows. The more it grows, the more the stagger changes. Therefore if you have a constant pressure your set up is more consistant.....ergo, a performance advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Jay,it's still on in Dallas this coming weekend at Hank Haney's City Pointe on Stemmons and 635.Leaving Saturday morning to watch the Open Division.I dont have to hit till 2nd round Sunday in the Senior Division.Stomachs already starting to flutter and I got 6 more days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jracer98 Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 I am out of the city until Friday night. Our golf course is growing in new fairways (419) and greens (Champions) and will not reopen until 10/1 so I can get away from the golf club for the afternoon. I'll roll over there to see if you can get one out onto 635 Airport extension. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 We going to give it a shot for sure,just hope it goes long,straight and in the grid.I'll probably be wearing a red shirt with Dynamic Golf on the front and back and red DG hat unless some different deal comes up before hitting time Sunday.Longdrivers are as bad as racecar drivers.You got sponsors,wear their stuff.In our case,companies trying to get new clubs on the market,we here the "We'll pay you to swing this ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 How'd we go from cheating to golfing.........or are they one in the same????? "We'll pay you to swing this ". So Tommy, does that make you a golf(self-edited)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProTree Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Reb,you dont want to be near me when I let my relief valve go on a Longdrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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