ACE44 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I bet Aaron's blood is boiling, his thread has been hijacked again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Nope... blood pressure is doing just fine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockStan Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 ok well are stud girdles a performance factor or an engine longevity factor it is kinda like the roller tip rockers they are an engine longevity factor according to chase in another thread and if i remember correctly they (stud girdles) used to be allowed in street stocks of course i could be wrong would not be the first time but i dont think that they give you the extra horsepower of roller tips or cut heads or windage trays or crank scrapers i dont think it says you can run those but how many of you are running them or even 1.6 rockers personally i think that is a bogus bust and should have been disregarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE44 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Since Aaron is ok then I will comment on the #31 DQ. I also feel it is crap to be DQ ed for stud girdels, they just provide longevity nothing to do with performance. I have not read the street stock rules but that just seems to be going out on a limb to DQ someone, everyone has to agree that they did not help the car perform .001 of a second faster .Just my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrungot Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Ok... Question from a non motor kinda guy.... How do stud girdles improve the engine's longevity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast18 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 It does suck to get dqed. I should know. Best thing is to move on and learn from it no matter how painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE44 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 they hold everthing together and makes the studs more rigid, therfore less likley to break a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast18 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Before the rules are set in stone (for next season) I believe there could be some input regarding this. I have always believed in whatever helps our motors and their components stay together is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGural Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Stud girdles do improve longivity. They help prevent rocker arm studs from breaking, because they are tied together through the girdle. They also increase performance by reducing the rocker arm studs from 'flexing', which allows more accurate valve opening and closing. If they're legal...I'd personally recommend a 7/16th rocker arm and studs. They have less flexing than the 3/8ths stud...since the girdles are not allowed. Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast18 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I had thought about that but wasn't sure you could get roller tips for the 7/16 studs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGural Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 You can find them at Competition Products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 ok well are stud girdles a performance factor or an engine longevity factor it is kinda like the roller tip rockers they are an engine longevity factor according to chase in another thread and if i remember correctly they (stud girdles) used to be allowed in street stocks of course i could be wrong would not be the first time but i dont think that they give you the extra horsepower of roller tips or cut heads or windage trays or crank scrapers i dont think it says you can run those but how many of you are running them or even 1.6 rockers personally i think that is a bogus bust and should have been disregarded Stan brings up a good point about parts on these motors that are not mentioned in the rules. It's a tough call for any tech man to make, I think. I'm not even completely sure how I feel about it as a competitor. At first, I though the stud girdles were an easy obvious DQ when THR31 made his post. I think the main reason for that is that I've neve seen a stud girdle on a SS car, and I'm sure they used be banned specifically in the rules, but maybe not. Just a few of the things that I've seen on cars that aren't mentioned in the rules: windage trays, valley pans, oil deflectors over the rockers, and the list goes on. However, with the variety of parts like these on the market, the rules can't possibly list everything by name. The rule book would take a ream of paper if it did that. I think the best bet is to ask before you decide to add something that is not a "stock" part or something that is not specifically mentioned in the rules. Unfortunately, sometimes we all learn something new when one of us gets DQed. This time, David was the guinea pig. It does suck to see a good season end with a DQ. He'll still be lightening fast with or without the stud girdles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockStan Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 ok i could be wrong but i am pretty sure that david didnt have stud girdles on his car to set the track record but that is beside the point if it is an engine component that is performance minded then yes especially if it is not in the rules ok yea you caught me big woop that is a chance you take but when it is something that gives you less than maybe a 1/2 hp on a dyno then well maybe let it slide and i no "well when you get 10 things that give you a 1/2 hp well thats an extra 5 hp" well good for you if you get it then you have done your homework and probably deserve it but you dont dq someone over trying to make their engine last a little bit longer especially over something as little as this and ESPECIALLY with engine costs today yes chase i no people can build a street stock motor for 400 dollars but honestly besides jim teague who is doing that i am not trying to bash anybody or start any arguments but this dq was bogus and uncalled for like i said before not a performance factor lemme ask this did jack bust him before he pulled his heads or after? and chase i am not trying to argue with you i am just saying and thank you for the vote on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck99 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 ok i could be wrong but i am pretty sure that david didnt have stud girdles on his car to set the track record Stan, it was the other David (Hassinger) that set the new track record. I wasn't really logging a vote either way. I'm just saying it would be safest to call Jack before installing any questionable part, but I understand the unwritten rule argument also. It's a tough one to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockStan Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 yes chase i didnt mean webster sorry should have been more specific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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