MikePeters95

Several of my buddies went and I almost went, I'm still shocked they got this in. I remember the post "ignore the radar and head down to Cotton Bowl" lol. This was one the funniest Facebook posts from a track that isn't Weaber Valley Speedway I've seen in a while.

Sorry I'm not familiar with screen names. Which team do you run? I know there are a couple guys with stackers, I still don't know who all is who. But either way, I know about 20 teams that would love to hire you for all these partners that "There should be no problem raising 10 or 15 grand a race". I'll give you a 50% commission, and put you in touch with 25 teams. With 11 races, this should be the easiest $1.3MM you've ever made, and I'd be happy to see you succeed at it! DM me your deck and proposal, I already know several million/billion dollar companies that would love to hear the marketing ROI on dropping $10k a race, $110k a season at at a facility with a seating capacity of 3,500 that streams to approximately 3,000 people since as you've said, "there should be no problem raising that".

This mindset has gotta stop. Several people spending the money to go race have said it. Track is open 12 times. Great. That's 12 times you're expected to show up. $2000 every time the trailer gate drops without damage. That's $24,000 a year. Nobody wants to go out there and run mid-pack or at the rear and get out spent. Having a "sealed crate" engine class with 1/2 the dudes running motors they're verbally open are illegal but "approved builder" engines, etc. But hey, the dudes with full-time crew members are there in the entry level classes all the way up to the late models. Help the racers show up, go with proven cost-cutting options. Or just crucify anyone who points this out. I never realized how bad I was failing at life until the dudes who weren't actually racing the cars tried to tell all of us actually racing the cars how much it costs to race the cars. Quite fascinating. Haven't seen that in any other motorsport I've partaken in which has been quite a few. Most organizations are able to go "Hmm...if they can't afford to race, we don't have races" even as far as dropping tire sponsors that were contributing $1000 an event, since the racers wanted to run $800 tires that lasted 4-5 races as opposed to $1300 a weekend tire bills. But instead the mindset is "you evil people who won't spend $10,000+ a year to race at our track we gave you a place to race!, SPEND THE MONEY!!!" This is in no way a personal attack on anyone but a point of fact. Everyone is hesitant / afraid to say anything because they don't want to get socially crucified. I advocated for them to speak up instead of complaining about it to everyone except the promoter. I've never seen so many people cry about something, someone says something on their behalf and even gets them to sign off on it since they won't say anything, then ironically, gets alienated. An absolutely wild mindset in the community. There are over one million people that live within 45 minutes of the track proportionate to each truck that showed up. If the take rate is literally less than one in a million for the 4th largest metro area in the United States, even under this nonsense Biden administration, it seems logical to me to look into the product being offered that literally, mathematically, less than one person per million is participating in, but that's just me. Many folks asked for costs to be cut one way or another, and the whole idea got shit on harder than a bedsheet Amber Heard was wrapped up in. At least 105 is having the Crown Vics out again soon. I guess that's cool. It's almost like the Legends and Legacy classes hint that classes without crazy shock costs, crazy engine costs, and crazy tire costs get people interested because it's attainable to them even though 70% of those dudes are very open they wish they were running 1/1 scale cars with V8's. I don't know why I bother saying anything. Be awesome to see 15-20 trucks out there. I had to sell mine because the way it is, between the random rental kids, and tire bills, I can't afford to run 12 races. Looks like several other folks decided that too, although I'm sure a lot of outbound calls have been made to tell them how badly their presence is wanted next race to folks with trucks, but decisions won't get made to cut costs and mitigate damages. It was ironic that there was a large discussion about rental-kids who had never been to the track were tearing up stuff, which turned into the people who expressed concern must hate the idea of motorsports growing in any way (wtf?) didn't show up at all, after running off several people in the class who got tired of fixing stuff from the damage. What a mess. Hope it gets better. It was sad to see. But as stated earlier, the car count for the Legends cars (which all have agreed to run on the same tires) and Legacy cars, which also self police themselves, seem to be thriving. It's almost like the classes that self police cost cutting and don't let people repeatedly cause wrecks are thriving. Who would have thought it?

Really? Interesting. What first hand observable data points do you know of people who were circle track racing but now spend money to be an influencer on "tic toc" Most the folks I know who have disposable income look at the competition for flushing money down the toilet with motorsports have instead selected boats, airplanes, drag cars, off road racing, road racing, exotic cars, etc etc etc. I can't say I've ever met anyone with the resources to go racing that instead spends money to be a "tic toc" influencer. Maybe we can solve all the circle track world's problems by studying these ''tic toc'' influencers... Or maybe the issue is costs are out of control and the ROI on fun for circle track in some these classes folks look at what they're getting out of it with the community they interact with, the time investment, who they're competing against, the venues they can use the equipment they have etc etc etc. If you want to compare the CARS tour, cool. How many tracks do they run at? How many nights a week can you run them? Clearly that is an apples to apples comparison to the only track within a 7 hour radius you can run equipment at, but that number bumps up to an absolutely incredible and salivating number of 3 if you make the radius 10 hours, and all are at largely destination places everyone wants to drive 20+ hours round trip to such as Mobile Alabama and Montgomery Alabama, booming tourism destinations. Can also invest a full standard American work week of time for a 50 lap race in Florida/Carolina, also great options. Seems logical and well thought out, great critique, thanks for making it.

I didn't even realize how off the Legacy results were. Kahlen Koch in the #57 started and finished P1 in a car that hasn't seen a track in 5+ years prepped by CJE Performance. 21 was 2nd Ty Hymel was third after starting dead last, missing practice and heats with what he originally thought was a blown headgasket, but after helping him go through the car was actually just contamination in the system clogging it because THAT car hadn't seen the outside of a warehouse in 10+ years. Ty pulled that car from Graham Baker's collection, and went through it in about a month in his 2 car garage at his house. Was super cool to see him go from thinking his car is blown up, starting dead last, to third. That was really cool. And Mike Knotts also started from the back and wound up 6th. I did notice the Race Monitor results were somewhat off after the fact but didn't realize they were copied here. On the results up there the factory stocks and bootleggers were combined, and looks like the Outlaw Late Models were overlooked, but we all know Robert Barker showed up, therefore won that lol.

Who would have thought a year ago Legends and Legacies would outnumber every other class combined. Wild. (Not counting karts) *maybe there was some merit to all those conversations about cost cutting to make the full size classes more sustainable*

What's crazy is had Cindric not come up a couple inches Chastain would have fit in that hole and we would have gotten the finish we wanted to see to the checkers. Still good race though.

My buddy Corey had some Crown Vic lowers I kinda mocked up and they didn't look to be too big of a gain. Just going to have some custom lowers with a removable brace. The G Body / Metric Car I'm building could have been easier but since I'm gonna have to make stuff probably just make stuff for that too. Thanks for the help.

Looking to see if anyone has a 9'' rear end setup to go onto a metric chassis. With or without 3rd member is fine.

Hey guys, Realized a lot of companies don't make stuff for FBody front clips because tracks all use A body and Metric stuff. I'm trying to widen the track about 1.5 inches on each side on my 70 Camaro. The uppers are easy, but on the lowers, are there any off the shelf things that can be mixed and matched with some creativity on the lowers. I can fabricate something but don't want to. Just curious if any you guys had any tips and tricks. Speedway and the others don't even sell extended length F Body stuff anymore because none of the tracks apparently have anyone using Fbody stuff, which is wild to me.

Just saw this on Facebook on the CARS tour page. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100071567284009

I think the CARS West Coast deal is to establish it on the West Coast. Also if you ever want to check on the health of Irwindale, I doubt any y'all keep up with drifting, but Formula Drift always starts at the Long Beach Grand Prix and ends at Irwindale. Nothing changing for 2024 / 2025 last I heard.

The conspiracy theory of the week is 2025 manufacturer change and new ownership once TV/Charter negotiations are done. Earnhardt/Harvick/Stewart Chevrolet team. BRCC and Bass Pro are reported to have been on the 10 and no word on if Wendy's dropped out. Seems like a sensible conspiracy theory. I think Gragson will be a huge bust though on track.

Glad to see TMS back in action, saw it on some other schedules too.

This is exactly why everyone you just mentioned has won a Cup title this century, and Pop Pop is clubbing baby seals in Xfinity.

I saw him pop up in all those and thought it was pretty cool. And yeah Young's equipment isn't super great, a top 10 at a track like Phoenix is a great job.

So apparently today RCR decided they didn't like everyone online calling it for what it is, so Andy Petree is going on an apology tour now stating "We didn't realize 2's (Creed's) bumper bar was pushed in so his RF wheel couldn't turn which is why he parked it into three, our bad we should have looked at it first". Sure. LOL. You mean if the guy who just needed to finish 2nd didn't come down on him on corner entry trying to wreck his team mate, didn't push the support bar into the RF tire this wouldn't have happened? Just so we're clear, 100%, if the 2 won with 21 second, both RCR cars would have gone to Xfinity final 4. I am not a JGR fan but I will be cheering on Creed next year and I hope he wins 10 races and the championship (and cheering for him to leave JRG when he eventually moves up to Cup lol)

I mean... Harvick left... Reddick left..... I've thought highly of Creed since I worked in Trans-Am and he showed up first race at Road America and absolutely stomped everyone in a rain race in a TA2 car first time he drove one. TA2 isn't a kids game either. Dudes a killer. Showed it in trucks and I'm not one of the consolation prize folks but he has a lot of P2's that could have been W's if he played his game a tad different last lap or so in Xfinity. With the right coaching and risk/reward mindset I could see him doing great things.

https://cmwraceparts.com/category/body-fabrication/ar-bodies-race-truck-bodies/race-truck-body-panels/ Several other vendors but AR bodies is what 90% of the trucks are running.

Bootleggers ran combined with factory stocks. Only two of them showed up tonight, their average Bootlegger car count for the season was about 2, probably math will yield 2.2-2.3. Running them with Factory Stocks worked super super well and gives the 3 people who put cars, or brought cars out for that class a home going forward. I think there were 8 in the Factory Stock class. I gotta say, Legends getting completely blown off last year, and then going from 2 to consistently 7-8 purely local cars, and Factory Stocks, shows interest in the low-budget spec classes is there with race-ready used equipment. Good to see the entry level classes and the affordable classes finally getting properly looked at beyond Eco Stocks and Legacys.

Appreciate you chiming in. I agree he's a solid dude, but he's also one dude, running three tracks. Maybe I should hit him up also instead of just Terry. I'll try to make some time this week to do that, buried myself at work as I'm either going to finally do all the updates to my it-was-competitive-10-years-ago truck or sell it and do something else. Really want to update all the suspension and put the five star body on it and clean it up and update it some but that class is just so unnecessarily destructive. There is awesome racing leaning on each other then there is what's been happening. While he inherited an impossible task all my friends who go now and I observed same thing. Stands weren't full to the point of adding more in Turn 1 & 4, but they were pretty packed, looked really, really, really good.

I'm not trying to pry setup information, but about what size springs did you guys end up running? I have probably 70 springs at my shop I've collected from a friend who closed down her race shop and some other stuff I wouldn't mind putting some spring sets together for super cheap if the rates and heights are in the right area to get some folks out there. Rodney, I'm assuming y'all aren't legally blind and saw that Bootleggers/Factory stocks work just fine together and will just combine them again and have "Pavement versus Dirt, Bootleggers Versus Factory Stocks!" to hype it up? I think I saw 8-9 of them combined in the pits some didn't run. I know Corey and I are talking to a couple dudes who we're going to try to help prep their car and get them out there.

Sounds like you've met Colton. I know what you mean with excitement. I'm a burned out POS and he makes me remember why I like motorsprots, because he likes motorsports, haha. He races in one of the iRacing leagues I help run and takes in a lot of info. I do have to say one tool we have in 2023 that is underutilized a lot is iRacing. Yeah it's a video game, but the racecraft and consequences (minus the hospital and repair bill) still apply. Tried to get an official iRacing thing going when Alverson was there but...ball dropped. I should probably proposition Owen / Karl / Terry about that for the kids since they seem to actually care and know what's going on. Thanks everyone who's read this for not just being a huge dick. I feel like this is a concern that can easily be corrected with some manpower I was just trying to see if I was crazy or not. Talked to a couple buddies since the weekend that have been on/off at HMP and they all indicated the barrier to entry comes and goes depending on who's in charge. All agreed we could certainly step up and do better.

A couple things I think would really improve things and results would be seen pretty quickly after talking to some folks Saturday night. 1. Rookie and <2 year mandatory fundamentals meetings. Any driver who hasn't been established at HMP *or* any driver in a rental is required to sit in a meeting, ran by drivers to help out current stretched thin staff, goes over the flags, the passing flag, lapping etiquette, how to get in/out of the pits, race direction, and verifies that all drivers can egress from their car in <15 seconds. This is SOP in literally, every other motorsport I've seen that requires fire protection and a roll cage. This also helps build reality of personality and faces to new racers helping them realize there are real folks driving these things, and they have to fix their stuff as well when it gets junked. My friend Archie probably spent about $20k of his money to come race with all the gear and everything, and was, in my opinion, not really given even the most basic tools to safely get on track. I had no clue and I feel awful about that. I'll even look at myself in the mirror. I showed up and was allowed to just jump in. Who verified I had the slightest clue what I was doing? 2. Some sort of funnel to the rental nonsense. It's like playing racer roulette with some these rental car kids. I know I seem like I'm picking on them, but it's the same folks involved every time, unless it's a rental. The other tracks I've seen have "Junior" classes for the rental kids who can't differentiate Mario Kart levels of responsibility from the real-world, and folks like the Area 51 team get to lose $25,000+ from the kids in rentals learning. That's absolutely unacceptable. Sure the guys who occasionally rent to kids will be upset, but what's going to keep the track open, a rental car that shows up every once in a while, or the 3 trucks now that have been totalled this season by people driving a truck they don't own and may or may never come back. Once they wrote off someone else's equipment, that someone else isn't coming back. How many times can we ask Rick Pollaro to spend his time and money to rebuild his truck and come run? Same with Anthony Monroe, Jaron Hasley, Ryder Wells, etc. Colt Mize and Doug Gibson wont' get the opportunity to come back without buying a new chassis, and for literally no purposeful reason. These rental cars that make up less than 5% of the field, that are junking 20% of the field, is a net loss, and needs to get figured out. If folks want to try their hand at racing, there are enough Eco Stocks, Legends/Legacies out there to have a "Juniors" class where one of those platforms is picked, and that's where the rental folks can go until they demonstrate they're ready to run a higher class, where they will start at the rear until they demonstrate they can not destroy equipment. Anyways, these are some the ideas, maybe I'm just living in a fairy tale land where I am overestimating the notion that some other drivers will step up and spend some time to help these two processes and maybe come up with some more. Maybe I'm just an idiot who needs to shut his mouth like some the kids who's parents pay for their racecar have told me. Maybe.