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The Sport Mod boys showed up at Kyle and there are hundreds and hundreds of them out there.   There changes are minimal.   A cross promotion from some track to where the highest average finisher between their track and HMP would be great. 

I really dont care to watch factory stocks. 

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2 hours ago, toyotatim said:

The Sport Mod boys showed up at Kyle and there are hundreds and hundreds of them out there.

I am not going to deny this but look at who the racers were that showed up.  The racers that showed up were already racing asphalt at Kyle there was not a whole lot of crossover racers.  The changes are a little more than minimal, your going to have to lower ride heights and center of gravity, look at your standard setups on dirt sport mod.  Those setups would not work on asphalt.  The only way its going to work is purse you have to make them want to do it.  If you throw out the same purse as what they can get staying on a dirt track, why would you change it over. 

In all honesty Tim just think about it if you had a sport mod lets say your based out San Antonio. Your car is setup to run dirt at I-37 and you have been running good there.  You also occasionally travel to STS, Texana, CBS.  You know that at your local track you win your getting $450, you can travel to the other tracks on an off night and your getting the same.  HMP puts on a race for sport mods and they are paying $450 to win as well.  Where are you going to go race? Somewhere where you have to change your setup completely up, plus buy tires, or are you going to go somewhere where you know you just have to unload not change a thing and go have fun?

That's why I'm saying if they are going to do it they are going to have to make it worth their while to make the changes and spend the money to come race there.  I'm not disagreeing with you that the cars are there, there is a lot of them you just have to make it worth their while to do it.

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On 8/8/2019 at 9:40 AM, TSTRS said:

If anyone has any input on a new dirt/asphalt class or series for Texas racing - please email me about it.  Tell me what dirt class you think would be the best to do some crossover racing with so it is cost-effective and will not take away from dirt or asphalt but could enhance racing as a whole in 2020.  I am thinking maybe 6 races next year?  Maybe more if it works - and possibly introduce the class at TSTRS last race this year - Nov 9th?  Just possibilities.  

 Please accompany each opinion with a 'why' :)  

 I have been talking with a few of you, but I am told how there are many others with very strong opinions by the handful I have spoken with.  I would like to hear from you!  

gina@txarp.com

In the subject please add:  Dirt Crossover Class/Series

I need some more help!

Gina Schild Knowles

(713) 907-0906

gina@txarp.com

 

 *******Don't forget to come out to HMP - Saturday, August 31st for the Advance Auto Parts Labor Day Classic!!

 

 

 

Dirt cross over? My pick would be the Factory Stocks. Why? Watching those guys on dirt is pretty awesome. Don't change the cars - just bring them out.

With respect to my cars, I have either two Super Stocks, or two Pro Stocks. But, the 55 WILL change. I'll change the UCA mounting points and put a third link in it and that will be that. The motor will eventually get set back to #1. What does that make it then? Right now, I like the Super Stock class; wish there were more cars though. Last race there were 8, but some had problems. When you're out there driving it's very different! It really reminds me of running the Pro Stocks back in the day. I would get my butt kicked just about every week and then we started getting a little quicker each time out. Then, next thing you know we were bringing home trophies! The time differential now is really no different than the Pro Stocks back in the day. If i recall correctly, the time differential was over a second.

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3 hours ago, radracr said:

Dirt cross over? My pick would be the Factory Stocks. Why? Watching those guys on dirt is pretty awesome. Don't change the cars - just bring them out.

With respect to my cars, I have either two Super Stocks, or two Pro Stocks. But, the 55 WILL change. I'll change the UCA mounting points and put a third link in it and that will be that. The motor will eventually get set back to #1. What does that make it then? Right now, I like the Super Stock class; wish there were more cars though. Last race there were 8, but some had problems. When you're out there driving it's very different! It really reminds me of running the Pro Stocks back in the day. I would get my butt kicked just about every week and then we started getting a little quicker each time out. Then, next thing you know we were bringing home trophies! The time differential now is really no different than the Pro Stocks back in the day. If i recall correctly, the time differential was over a second.

Well it is Time to throw in the towel,  A few of us gave it our best for the cause....However Thanks LSSZ.  & Good Luck to the Series….

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5 hours ago, Josh42 said:

I am not going to deny this but look at who the racers were that showed up.  The racers that showed up were already racing asphalt at Kyle there was not a whole lot of crossover racers.  The changes are a little more than minimal, your going to have to lower ride heights and center of gravity, look at your standard setups on dirt sport mod.  Those setups would not work on asphalt.  The only way its going to work is purse you have to make them want to do it.  If you throw out the same purse as what they can get staying on a dirt track, why would you change it over. 

In all honesty Tim just think about it if you had a sport mod lets say your based out San Antonio. Your car is setup to run dirt at I-37 and you have been running good there.  You also occasionally travel to STS, Texana, CBS.  You know that at your local track you win your getting $450, you can travel to the other tracks on an off night and your getting the same.  HMP puts on a race for sport mods and they are paying $450 to win as well.  Where are you going to go race? Somewhere where you have to change your setup completely up, plus buy tires, or are you going to go somewhere where you know you just have to unload not change a thing and go have fun?

That's why I'm saying if they are going to do it they are going to have to make it worth their while to make the changes and spend the money to come race there.  I'm not disagreeing with you that the cars are there, there is a lot of them you just have to make it worth their while to do it.

Exactly!  And if you are willing to do that to attract classes from other forms of racing, why not for the ones already established?  The governing and economic factors are no different.  If you keep bringing the same logic to bear, you will get the same results.

And in addition to the suspension changes, there are probably gearing issues too...

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7 hours ago, j.j.&s.racing said:

A good factory stock cost about 12,000 to get built. Plus engines. 

And, it is a glorified "Thunder Bomber" worth about 1/2 of that (with an engine) That is the problem.  The Thieves who over charge to build them, and the fools who are willing to pay 3 times what they are worth.

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7 hours ago, Josh42 said:

I am not going to deny this but look at who the racers were that showed up.  The racers that showed up were already racing asphalt at Kyle there was not a whole lot of crossover racers.  The changes are a little more than minimal, your going to have to lower ride heights and center of gravity, look at your standard setups on dirt sport mod.  Those setups would not work on asphalt.  The only way its going to work is purse you have to make them want to do it.  If you throw out the same purse as what they can get staying on a dirt track, why would you change it over. 

In all honesty Tim just think about it if you had a sport mod lets say your based out San Antonio. Your car is setup to run dirt at I-37 and you have been running good there.  You also occasionally travel to STS, Texana, CBS.  You know that at your local track you win your getting $450, you can travel to the other tracks on an off night and your getting the same.  HMP puts on a race for sport mods and they are paying $450 to win as well.  Where are you going to go race? Somewhere where you have to change your setup completely up, plus buy tires, or are you going to go somewhere where you know you just have to unload not change a thing and go have fun?

That's why I'm saying if they are going to do it they are going to have to make it worth their while to make the changes and spend the money to come race there.  I'm not disagreeing with you that the cars are there, there is a lot of them you just have to make it worth their while to do it.

I disagree. There are an abudance of Sport Mods (Limited Modifieds) in existence. Many of them are not owned by cheaters who spend $10,000+ on an open chambered motor that should cost about $3,500, $15,000 chassis, with $1,000 shocks. Those guys (The cheaters) can stay at the dirt track with the other cheaters. The honest guys who want to run in an affordable series can bring their Legitimate Sport Mods to HMP, and put on a good show for a loyal fan base.

 

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1 hour ago, Chipperd93 said:

 And, it is a glorified "Thunder Bomber" worth about 1/2 of that (with an engine) That is the problem.  The Thieves who over charge to build them, and the fools who are willing to pay 3 times what they are worth.

dang I guess we over paid and got took  we are fools you say . call out the navy … .we looked at building a new factory stock  our selves we have always built our cars . but time  and age and getting lazy would have cost us more ... it was cheaper to order one than build it  we actually save money ....our 10 year old car was getting well  .. OLD  . .

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7 hours ago, radracr said:

Dirt cross over? My pick would be the Factory Stocks. Why? Watching those guys on dirt is pretty awesome. Don't change the cars - just bring them out.

With respect to my cars, I have either two Super Stocks, or two Pro Stocks. But, the 55 WILL change. I'll change the UCA mounting points and put a third link in it and that will be that. The motor will eventually get set back to #1. What does that make it then? Right now, I like the Super Stock class; wish there were more cars though. Last race there were 8, but some had problems. When you're out there driving it's very different! It really reminds me of running the Pro Stocks back in the day. I would get my butt kicked just about every week and then we started getting a little quicker each time out. Then, next thing you know we were bringing home trophies! The time differential now is really no different than the Pro Stocks back in the day. If i recall correctly, the time differential was over a second.

You'll win some for that trophy room soon bud.  Keep it up.

 

9 hours ago, j.j.&s.racing said:

A good factory stock cost about 12,000 to get built. Plus engines. 

$12,000 to go 50 mph down the straights?  Those boys are getting ripped off.

 

The bicycles at SAS were a hit.  Very affordable, probably $125 or so turnkey (or pedal ready I guess) with slime filled tires so no flats.  Just a thought.

 

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