rebelracewriter Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Quote As the NASCAR model (big money, big marketing, big egos) slowly took over the sport, most of what we loved about the sport started to slip away. And today, the NA$CAR product has almost nothing to do with honest, grass-roots racing that us old-timers grew up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPosse Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 I'm trying to keep an open mind with NASCAR this year. Don't worry, I'm not going all Tiny.....errr, Toyotatim here ;-). NASCAR is not what it once was, and never will be again. There are many reasons for it that have been discussed a lot here. Listening to radio interviews and reading some, the drivers seem optimistic because the new leadership (Jim France) seems to be more hands on. He is back at testing and practice sessions, working the garage and talking to the participants. Maybe there will be some changes on that front. I've felt they need to slow the cars down for awhile now. They are working to do that. Will it result in "better" racing (whatever that is)? Maybe. While "no more restrictor plates" is a little misleading, I'm willing to give it a chance. A light bulb went off in my head when I was watching a NASCAR East Late Model race from New Smyrna on MAVTV. There were 19 or 20 cars in the field, and 11 of them were teenagers. At least one was only 15. At one time this was a division drivers aspired to as the first touring step to get to Cup - or thinking back to the All-Pro late models, this is at least a version of it. The days of doing it the "hard way" are long gone. That's not to say these kids don't work to get there or don't have some talent, but they definitely have money behind them and that's the most important thing nowadays. It just seems like ever since Jeff Gordon came along at such a young age, everybody is looking for the next young superstar while bypassing much of the talent. Just look at the truck race and Infinity races - there seemed to be some young kids way over their heads. I think this hurts the product as much as anything. The young kids with money move up so quickly now that there is no time to establish much of a regional fanbase. I pull for Stewart Friesen in the truck series because he's from back home, he's super talented and can drive most anything. But at 35 years old, his age is working against him.... As usual, the real season starts with Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 I read on yahoo sports I think NASCAR was talking about shortening the length of most of its races. With the new tapered plate it said horsepower will go from around 750 to 575 or so. One would think it will make the races last longer , the last thing NASCAR needs. Atlanta will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 O.K., I'm feeling kind of ignorant on this. Somebody fill me in on this. If you want to slow down the cars, why build 750-850 hp motors, then throttle them back to 500hp with intake obstructions. Why not just mandate lower compression/displacement motors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPosse Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Budman said: O.K., I'm feeling kind of ignorant on this. Somebody fill me in on this. If you want to slow down the cars, why build 750-850 hp motors, then throttle them back to 500hp with intake obstructions. Why not just mandate lower compression/displacement motors? Probably something to do with the investment teams have already made. Also, if it doesn’t work, they can adjust the size of the spacer or abandon it without the teams scrapping two sets of engines. Just a couple theories that may or may not be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 If they want to slow them down, give them all crate motors with 6200 chips......lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPosse Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, rebelracewriter said: If they want to slow them down, give them all crate motors with 6200 chips......lol But then the cars would all be exactly the same....oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 This guy tries to explain it all, but its pretty technical stuff. At the end of the day though, it looks to me like its putting more control in the hands of NASCAR and less control in the hands of the drivers. I come away with the impression there is going to be much more pack racing, even at the 1 1/2 mile ovals. If that turns out to be the case, I for one, will be totally done with N-car. But hey, I was pretty much done with it anyway. Have a look and see what you get out of this. Click -------> HERE (The Link has been repaired.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 More of "The Big One" at every track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPosse Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 15 hours ago, arob said: I read on yahoo sports I think NASCAR was talking about shortening the length of most of its races. With the new tapered plate it said horsepower will go from around 750 to 575 or so. One would think it will make the races last longer , the last thing NASCAR needs. Atlanta will tell. 6 minutes ago, arob said: More of "The Big One" at every track. Shortening races is on the table, as well as a schedule overhaul. Of course, nothing can be done until the 2021 season when the track contracts expire. Listened to NASCAR radio this morning and it seems everything is on the table. Schedule could be reduced and compacted down to 28-30 races. They most likely will keep the Daytona 500, Charlotte 600 and Southern 500 where they are on the schedule and at those distances. Everything else is flexible. This isn't unprecedented, it's just been a very long time since there has been a major overhaul. Yeah, the increased likelihood of "The Big One" at every track is not appealing to me at all. I think with a combination of the plates, errr spacers, and different downforce packages it may not be as bad as Daytona and Talladega, but only time will tell. Atlanta chews up tires, so the driver will still have an influence on what happens. One of the crew chiefs was on the radio and they said the entry speeds into the corner were 20 MPH lower, but speed in the center was about the same or a little faster. It all has to do with when the driver gets back on the gas and how the car is handling. Like I said, I'm willing to give it a chance. If we were going in to this season with Brian France still in charge and everything else being the status quo, I wouldn't even be interested. All that said, I agree we need to go out and support the local tracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPosse Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Budman said: This guy tries to explain it all, but its pretty technical stuff. At the end of the day though, it looks to me like its putting more control in the hands of NASCAR and less control in the hands of the drivers. I come away with the impression there is going to be much more pack racing, even at the 1 1/2 mile ovals. If that turns out to be the case, I for one, will be totally done with N-car. But hey, I was pretty much done with it anyway. Have a look and see what you get out of this. Click -------> HERE (The Link has been repaired.) Thanks for the link. I haven’t read it all yet, but its very informative. I am hoping the cars will still have the throttle response and handling that will allow the cars to seperate some so we don’t have Daytona and Talladega every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPosse Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Maybe some tracks (or the businesses they partner with) need to work on their marketing. What’s the issue here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 New NA$CAR down force package perhaps?.....LMAOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 get off those cookie cutter tracks and run more short tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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