Josh42 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Reading one of the other posts and Cory brought up some good points about Asphalt and Dirt Racing. What is the difference between dirt and asphalt? Now I know there is some obvious ones but why is it that dirt tracks are surviving and thriving and reopening across the country and asphalt tracks are slowly becoming things of the past. Its still racing and it doesn't matter if your running an eco-stock or a sprint car its going to be expensive. But why is it that CBS can pull 75+ cars every weekend and full stands and stay open. Asphalt tracks run once a month pull 100+ cars and stands are almost full and they are closing all over the place. Here is a couple things I see: Asphalt Racing: 10 to 12 Classes Racing one night (PLM, MOD, Trucks, SS, Limited Mods, Grands, ECOs, Legacy, Dwarfs, Bandos) Get to the track at 10:00AM to practice all day then race that night Higher Expenses for Fuel and Tires due to more usage Different Rules at every track Dirt Track: 4 to 5 Classes racing (Mods, Sport Mods, Street Stock, Hobby Stock, ECO) Less Time at the track Less wear and tear on tires Have to clean all the mud and dirt off the car Multiple grooves of racing Common Rules throughout the US Just wondering why some drivers choose asphalt over dirt or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getzum Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Where did you come up with the car count for asphalt? Going by your asphalt #'s that would be roughly 6 cars per class with 10 classes running. Think your # is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCloser Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I like asphalt because I suck at dirt lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 If you noticed it said 65+ which means 65 and more. I updated it to say 100+ the numbers aren't what I am focusing on just trying to see what drivers prefer and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getzum Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 You got asphalt drivers that prefer asphalt and dirt drivers that prefer dirt, simple as that. The issue with asphalt tracks closing isn't because a lack of drivers, the issue is more complicated than that I would have to guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgould Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Location is the biggest problem. In generality most asphalt tracks in Texas are in prime real estate locations whereas the thriving dirt tracks are in less prime areas. Look at the industry as a whole and you will see that a large portion of both dirt and asphalt tracks close because the property is more valuable for other uses. Its not that the racing venue is un-profitable its just not as profitable as using the property for housing, commercial sales, etc... It would take a very risky investor in today's market to choose building a new race track outside the city limits for a very small margin of profit potential to keep a track in a local area. Our local economic growth is really to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getzum Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Well said kgould Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arob Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 And no new ones being built. Much cheaper to dig out a dirt track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer61 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 "Difference between dirt and asphalt" Yes, one is dirt, one is asphalt. Everyone has a favorite. many (like myself) have done both. I had fun on dirt but asphalt is what i prefer. There is no which is better. So please dont get into well this one is cheaper. if there is anything I have ever learned about racing, racers will always spend way more then they make. No matter the class, rules or definitely the track surface. Dirt guys and gals please carry on gettin it sideways and asphalt guys and gals please keep praying for things to work out on the other side of the fence. We all just wanna race, please dont turn this into an opportunity to convert people. Stay positive in this please. 2016 was a messed up negative year, lets not follow in its footsteps. Sorry Josh, wasnt trying to hijack. Back to the thread folks! Cody, me too my man. me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotatim Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 It does not really matter what it costs to race. Racers spend it all regardless. If you have $10,000 to blow racing and it cost $10,000 per race, you race once. If it cost $1,000 to race, you race 10 times. Dirt or pavement, it is an addiction to which there is no cure. Now all that is needed is an enabler (track owner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I like both . ..they both have their good and bad .racers will always find a race somewhere .. going back to the 70.s and 80.s a dirt track could hardly stay open around cc .. .cc has had a few dirt tracks .ccs started that way .dirt ...cost they both cost ..dirt has one thing asphalt wont have .. more groves to pass on ...asphalt is more technical getting your car to handle and being good enough to pass others is a ton more tougher ....... dirt puts more on the driver .each lap is not like the last one ...I never hear a driver let off the same spot throttle the same spot on dirt lap after lap average as much as the other . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeReininger Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I've always run asphalt. It's a preference. But I respect the dirt loyalist to do that, and get disappointed if they lose a track. The more racing opportunities the better. What I have noticed over the years is if an asphalt track closes, the dirt guys try to promote dirt at our funeral. I've never understood that. It should be a shared passion whether it's asphalt, dirt or drag racing. Hate to see others get satisfaction when the other guys type of racing goes under. I just hope 2017 gives everyone the opportunity to race on whatever surface they prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCloser Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 There's no satisfaction on my part. I'm just kinda tired of fighting the losing battle to try to save one track and make a class work... If you can't survive with them join them. What really sucks is the fact that we finally got a few well known dirt names to come and enjoy the asphalt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyRodriguez Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Grew up asphalt so I love it. I pick it 11 times out of 10 choices. Have started enjoying dirt and will more, I love motocross grew up watching that I think I just think I relate bikes to dirt more. They are both great the folks that race them are amazing. I support whomever/wherever I just want local racing to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.j.&s.racing Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 spaghetti and meatballs!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcracing Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Racing surface makes no difference to us. We like it ALL! Sure, dirt has more "cleaning" issues and asphalt has more cost. The real issues is the racing. ASPHALT has a lot to do with set up and equipment.DIRT has more to do with driver. We've missed set ups on asphalt and really struggled. We can take a "bucket of bolts" for a car and miss the set up on dirt and still have fun and compete.As long as we're going fast, surface won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickHolt Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 In South / Central Texas, the differenece between dirt and asphalt aren't all that great IF... and only IF.... the dirt track turns dry slick or rubbers up. The suspension setup is far less critical on dirt than on asphalt, that's for sure, but if you understand the basic concepts of how weight transfers and how weight transfer can be managed by the suspension, your chances of success on dirt are increased a bunch. Moment arms are moment arms whether on dirt or asphalt. Suspension geometry is important on dirt for sure, just not as critical as on asphalt. And weight distribution is very important on both dirt and asphalt. The more a dirt track turns dry slick or rubbers up, the more critical weight distribution becomes. That's why a lot of asphalt guys can convert to dirt and do well right away - at least until they get all caught up in the latest trick of the week that worked for someone somewhere sometime or other... LOL I am tempted to offer my suspension course again, but this time for dirt track guys and gals. I did one in Corpus a couple of years ago and there seemed to be some positive feedback and a few requests for a repeat seminar. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiTech Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 nick do you pay speedzone for advertisement ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotatim Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 dirt = low rent asphalt = high rent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exjet145 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 dirt = low rent asphalt = high rent If all the money is in asphalt racing, why are all the asphalt tracks closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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