StacyRacing Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Here are some rules exceptions for the Dwarf/Modlite class. These will help keep the class cost down and make for a competitive class. 1. Hoosier BOZZ tread design medium tire only 2. Race gas or pump gas only. No E85 or alcohol. 3. No shock claim rule. 4. Solid links only. No biscuits or torsion bars. 5. Modlites must weigh a minimum of 1300lbs with driver after race. 6. Classics can run spring bars and be a minimum weight of 1240lbs with driver after the race Thank Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Can we still run the old Goodyear tire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrightracing Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I don't see why not!!! Need all the cars they can get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 When are we going back to stock motors that would keep cost down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godspeed7 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 The goodyears are still fine, I believe Keith was just clarifying exactly which hoosiers are legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Cool and I like the stock motor deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godspeed7 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I am personally a fan of stock motors as well, but at the same time there has to be a grace period for guys with spec motors to sell them and find stock to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godspeed7 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I would love to see our class grow in south Texas and I believe stock motors is the first step in going that direction. Mainly because it keeps money out of the equation and relies solely on set up and driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Would a stock motor make it closer to a Classic Dwarf or DCRST car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Top shelf yes it would drop the horse power by about 25 horsepower which in these motors is about a fifth the horsepower. But on the other hand no because with a stock motor and right set up you can still be faster than most cars are at sos. And as I have said from the beginning dwarfs are not the same as mod lites. Aero is better and more travel gives mods the advantage. As for a grace period why do you need one. There was no grace period on buying a mod. There was no grace period on building a motor. So why is it needed to go back to stock at sos only one or two cars are not stock now. So just my opinion but none needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Ya that's why I ask because those Dwarfs seem to be a little disadvantaged against the Lites and set up looks completely different aesthetically. I've always liked the Dwarfs and would love to drive one at some point but those Lites tend to pull away when I've seen them at SOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godspeed7 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Either car can have a built motor, dwarf or modlite. It is legal for both cars. And as for aerodynamics, we arent doing 200 mph in these things therefore there is no proven fact that modlites are more aerodynamic. The main reason for the switch to the modlite body style was to be more appealling to the fans and have a " new school" look. When we first went to modlites either body style would win any given race. It just looks like modlites always do good because a majority of drivers in Texas have gone to a modlite body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed14 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 We tried the built motor program last year and got 9 or 10 nights out of an engine, needless to say, we won't be doing that anymore. As far as the two cars being worlds apart, that is not the case, with a 60 pound weight break and running spring bars a classic set up the same as a modlite would be just as fast. One thing the modlites done was allowed a bigger person to drive safely and comfortably over the smaller inside of the classic... However, there are some newer classics out now with much more interior space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 First if aerodynamic s only help at 200 mph then ill drive you in my pickup 65 mph down the freeway and let you stand up with a piece of plywood and we can see how that goes. Second if you dont have a built engine then why a grace period who has a built motor. Third I have both cars and yes I can win in both but my mod is faster with same setup. Fourth neither of my cars will get to 1240 so weight break is a mute point. Fifth since you brought it up I think there areote dwarfs in texas. Look at houston car counts dwarfs average 16 mods average 11 even with 11 1000 to win races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_shelf_12 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Didn't mean to start a war between classic vs modlite, I don't know enough about them was just curious and it just seems the modlite are quicker generally speaking. I'm 6'3" around 250 so yeah room would be an issue if I decide to take on one of these cars later on down the road, but I like both of them as a fan, just wish more would show up when you run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Heck I don't even know what a spring bar is. My understanding is the big difference That give the modlites the advantage is the rear suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Rear suspension has more travel is one difference and this has been an isue ftom when mods were voted in between us you keep adding more and more money and less and less show up. Odviously the class started a down ward spiral since mods so maybe that should be your proof. Or maybe me voicing my opinion over and over did that like some have said. You decide but two clubs gone since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed14 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Well, there you have it, a dwarf with a good set up and a stock engine took second Saturday night... Great night of racing all together, and it was good to see some extra cars make the show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 If you mean the 24 I believe he is running an after market injection system at least that is what the air box looks like. I had a blast saturday night and took 8th in a beat up old stile dwarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Stock those are loose terms with that engine. And never said a dwarf cant win I know I can win at sos in mine but also know my mod is faster. I thought question was if there was an advantage to mods not if a dwarf could beat a mod maybe I should read better. Just so everyone knows the truth about stock motors. I had one built to stock rules in texas and it cost 3000 and gained 25 hp so you saying stock says nothing. When I argued about the aftermarket intakes you can look and everyone said there was no advantage to them which is odd considering that I have dyno sheets to show rhat my motor gained 8-12 hp from2500-10500 and only lost 2 hp @top end over that. So I guess the dyno lied not all the drivers that put them on and said there was no gain. Like I have said from beginning if you cant set your car up right to start with then that extra power wont help but if you can than it will. So basically you are making a bigger gap between fast cars and slow cars. And out pricing half the cars so they park them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 And I got my plywood ready if anyone wants to see how aero works at 65 just let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2manytoys Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 DCRST cars have so many disadvantages, in order to stay legal with DCRST. If we drop that series sure we could make changes that would help. IE computer, after market air, aluminium hubs, Quick-change rear ends, and many more all illegal at DCRST But I just want to point out the weight advantage they just gave us is no help at all, because we are all over 1300 pounds. (which is the rule for DCRST) Not that anyone one would know, cause I haven't seen any car weighed all season. For me this is my rookie season I'm just trying to learn to drive and set my car up. so it doesn't matter yet. But I can tell you most of the other DCRST cars wont come, because the lites are to quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcracing Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 When can we start using 4 wheel drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race6565 Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Just a thought but in 2016 maybe sos should ask there drivers collectively what direction they want the rules to be. Not sure who makes rules now oe if anyone does. I know I have never been asked. But considering we are following rules that have ran our class in the ground in Houston and edna maybe that is not the direction we should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaerRacing00 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Heard one flew over the wall last night...hope everyone involved was ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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