sprintsrule Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Can you put out a set of proposed rules with changes first so we can see the changes? There might not be a need for a meeting. There seems to be quite a bit of animosity in this group so a meeting might not be productive. Plus some of us (probably close to half) would have to travel more than 2 1/2 hours each way for a meeting. I think voting could be done without a meeting with today's technology. Allow one vote for each registered car from last year or any car willing to register now for next year. I do like the idea of measurement from rear end. Distance from ball joint is very difficult to measure and I am sure could be different depending on who measures it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cblgdc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The meeting went very well the other night, we had quite of few drives in attendance. But we can meet again to go over the changes and help clarify anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soaker Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The problem with another meeting is that it's too far away for most of the limited late-model drivers. Most of the drivers will not travel from Kerrville Boerne, San Antonio ,Goliad or a couple hours away just to attend a meeting. BS08:: The rule states that if you run a four barrel with a mechanical secondary you have to weigh 3250 if A 650 has vacuum secondaries you weigh the same amount as a 500 2 barrel. How many races has a four barrel won the last couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhardage Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm pretty sure the carburetor rule also said if you run a 750 you just have to add weight 750s do not come with vacuum secondaries so just by looking at it you know you will have to add weight. Not hard to tech that either. 3310 comes in a 750, and a 780. Those are the most popular vacuum secondaries out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cblgdc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't have the numbers ,but I'm pretty sure most were won by two barrel cars. Everyone was throwing out the number 3310 but that is a 750 and that just started confusion. The meeting we had last year drivers decided we were going to 4412 in 2015 to make it simple. Yea we talked about marking cars but they still would have to check each one weight and carb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soaker Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (most were won by two barrel. From cblgdc) EXACTLY. So no reason to sit expensive parts on the shelve and spend an a$$ load for new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS08 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I can't remember cause it's been so long but we run a vacuum secondary 650or750....with a leaf spring car at 3316 lbs full fuel with driver...just wanted to use that things I have is all...built car to i37 rules in 2010...I know I have the wrong car to run with y'all but I love the class and it's all I got.. Not sayin to change crap for me but we just wanted to run that class agin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasoutlawmod5L Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What was agreed last year was 4412,650 vacuum secondary 2850 lbs,any fuel. Cars weighing 3150 lb. car, any carb, any fuel. simple. New rule could be : 2850 lb car up to 3150 , any carb. not to exceed 650 w/vacuum secondary, any fuel. 3150 lb car , any carb. any fuel. then learn how to tech it. poat weight on hood or roof post. No one has to go buy another carb. I think that is pretty simple. just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS08 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 For what it's worth ... I'd be fine with that obviously ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERBOY Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Everyone OK with Any 4412 2 Barrel at 2850 lbs. Any 4 barrel at 3150 lbs. Gas, Racing Fuel, E-85 or Methanol, smell enhancing additives are allowed.(I prefer grape, swells so good, what's your favorite). Must post 2-2850 or 4-3150 on top rear of left front fender. minimum height 1 inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cblgdc Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I,m ok with it. But I thought we could simplify it, cars that weigh 3150 or more are not competitive to class and need shed weight to gain speed,4 barrel is not going to do it. Leaf spring car weighing 3400 is a Street Stock not a late model. But go for it if the tech guy has time to check the weights and carb each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double D racing Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 So...I just bought the Ultra XP Holley 500CFM for nothing ? Hmmm...I guess I better not sell my 650 Vaccum secondary carb just yet ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soaker Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Im good with it because my 4 barrel car weights more than 3150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double D racing Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Soaker, you could run a 1 bbl on 6 cylinders in your car and still be fast ! that car is a rocket !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soaker Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Thanks double d. But it wasnt very good at SOS the last race. Sometimes luck plays our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS08 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Sounds great .... Ran 4 in heat and 7 in main at havoc with my non competitive heavy car .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS08 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 We will go on a diet though .... Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double D racing Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 i think my car just needs a new driver.....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMMAN Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Leave the 4 barrel and weight penalty in place. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprintsrule Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I like carb rule. Need to clarify maximum wheelbase if you use rear end for engine set back. Or else somebody will go build a special car and end up with huge advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodwayracing18 Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 I like carb rule. Need to clarify maximum wheelbase if you use rear end for engine set back. Or else somebody will go build a special car and end up with huge advantage. Minimum wheel base was set at 105 Carb rule is ok with me, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hray Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 What Chip is saying is right. If you measure a fixed length off the rear axle, the longer the wheelbase the more rear weight percentage. 105" is the most common wheelbase in the class, but some of the leaf spring cars are 108". If you are going to measure off the rear axle you should set a minimum and maximum wheelbase. Say 105" plus or minus 1/2" with an exception for the leaf spring cars of no more than 108". And BTW, vacuum secondary 3310's come in 700, 750 and 780 CFM with the primary difference in the secondaries. All the primaries are about the same size as a 350 CFM 2 barrel. That's why a 4412 will have the advantage over a 3310 off the turn if the secondaries are truly operating off the vacuum and don't have a screw in the linkage making them a mechanical secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMMAN Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Everyone OK with Any 4412 2 Barrel at 2850 lbs. Any 4 barrel at 3150 lbs. Gas, Racing Fuel, E-85 or Methanol, smell enhancing additives are allowed.(I prefer grape, swells so good, what's your favorite). Must post 2-2850 or 4-3150 on top rear of left front fender. minimum height 1 inch. I like and vote for this suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Good lord......its not rocket science...650, 4412....2850 lbs....750 or up 3150....what is the big deal? I run a 650 vac sec...weighed 2895...why is this a big deal again? We were told that there was not going to be a rule meeting and nothing was changing.. For what I see now is the local guys that could go decided to make it their rules.. This is really gonna hurt alot of cars because most of us are built to last years rule. Find a tech guy that can read english and knows his stuff and there wont be any problems. Now that we are allowing rack and pinon and more engine set back with tube frames...Why dont you just have a supr class and leave the limited alone? This makes no sense...Now I have to go buy a 4412 to run at 2850. Or tack on 300 lbs which will kill the cars geometry..this is nonsense guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunfels99 Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 "Now that we are allowing rack and pinon and more engine set back with tube frames..." Really? who is doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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