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Reb or Sarge,

 

Thanks for the advice. I made it out there after work Saturday and enjoyed the night. It's been forever since I was a spectator at a dirt track.

 

Why do they "occasionally" restart some of the races off of turn 2?

 

Also, in your opinion, were those "regular" claimable IMCA engines? There were some substancial differences considering you could own any of them for $525?

 

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Jay

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Jay,

 

Not really understanding the "occasionally" restart some of the races off of turn 2" question. All the restarts in the I. M. C. A. classes was off turn two, with a cone on the backstretch just shy of half way. Couldn't pass until after the cone. The leader could go anytime he wanted in two, or if he reached the cone, the race was on. Most dirt tracks turn the lights off when the leader is halfway down the backstretch and he can go anytime after the light is off. If the leader hasn't gone by turn four, the flag man turns the green light on and they are racing.

 

The Sprint Series of Texas was run under their rules, as they are not I. M. C. A. They restarted out of four, with the cone on the frontstretch at the flag stand.

 

About the engines. I would say most guys were running their "good" claimer engine. And yes, full claim was in effect, as it was an I. M. C. A. points paying event. So, a guy has to figure out what he is willing to lose for $525. As far as I know, there were no claims at all the entire race weekend.

 

Some guys are willing to sell you more motor than others for $525. It is part of the game. And trust me, if you go too big, someone will get it cheap, eventually.

 

Glad you made it out there. I told you there were a ton of I. M. C. A. Modifieds in the state. The rules would be absolutely the same if an asphalt track wanted to sanction them.

 

It was an absolutely great weekend of racing. Eddie Gossage was grinning from ear to ear as he looked over the crowd! I am pretty sure they set an attendance record for the Dirt Track. And it was for an I. M. C. A. race, with local racers, in the local race cars. No big names, no exotic "traveling" cars. It was just a real big, Saturday night, race at the local dirt track.

 

12 Thousand people to watch the local heros! Man I love this sport! Man was it a great event to be a part of!

 

Bill "Sarge" Masom

Host of the K-MAC Sports show, Dirt Track Insider

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Jay,

 

"Not really understanding the "occasionally" restart some of the races off of turn 2" question. All the restarts in the I. M. C. A. classes was off turn two, with a cone on the backstretch just shy of half way. Couldn't pass until after the cone. The leader could go anytime he wanted in two, or if he reached the cone, the race was on. Most dirt tracks turn the lights off when the leader is halfway down the backstretch and he can go anytime after the light is off. If the leader hasn't gone by turn four, the flag man turns the green light on and they are racing. "

 

 

 

It just struck me as odd. The races all "started" at the standard area. I didn't understand why they should restart in a different place. The track is symmetrically shaped so that's probably not a factor. It just seemed odd to have restarts as far away from the crowd as possible.

 

 

 

"The Sprint Series of Texas was run under their rules, as they are not I. M. C. A. They restarted out of four, with the cone on the frontstretch at the flag stand. About the engines. I would say most guys were running their "good" claimer engine. And yes, full claim was in effect, as it was an I. M. C. A. points paying event. So, a guy has to figure out what he is willing to lose for $525. As far as I know, there were no claims at all the entire race weekend."

 

 

 

 

Is that unusual? I read somewhere that the top 4 or 5 cars in the big IMCA races "automatically" get claimed and then auctioned off?

 

 

 

 

 

"Some guys are willing to sell you more motor than others for $525. It is part of the game. And trust me, if you go too big, someone will get it cheap, eventually. Glad you made it out there. I told you there were a ton of I. M. C. A. Modifieds in the state. The rules would be absolutely the same if an asphalt track wanted to sanction them. It was an absolutely great weekend of racing. Eddie Gossage was grinning from ear to ear as he looked over the crowd! I am pretty sure they set an attendance record for the Dirt Track. And it was for an I. M. C. A. race, with local racers, in the local race cars. No big names, no exotic "traveling" cars. It was just a real big, Saturday night, race at the local dirt track."

 

 

 

 

 

I bet he was. Big back gate, $15,000 in parking, Tetco sponsor dollars, " NFL Super Bowl" concession prices :D .....On the other hand, he also had plenty of payroll and other costs to cover.

 

 

 

 

"12 Thousand people to watch the local heros! Man I love this sport! Man was it a great event to be a part of!"

 

 

 

I was amazed at the size of the crowd.

 

 

 

 

Bill "Sarge" Masom

Host of the K-MAC Sports show, Dirt Track Insider

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Drove up from the Valley and was in attendance all 3 nights...probably 3-4 thousand in attendance on Thurs-Fri...but jam packed on Saturday night as folks even had to watch from the grassy areas. I would agree that it was the largest crowd ever at the dirt track...reminded me of Eldora.

 

All five championship races were spectacular...especially the Modifieds (as advertised). Amazing to see four and five wide racing with the 80 foot wide turns...

 

SST Sprints not as big or fast as the ASCS I saw in Corpus last weekend (305 spec vs. a 360), but a lot more competition...not just the pole sprinting to the win.

 

Don't think the Devil's Bowl WinterNationals will be as good...but will find out.

 

...Just a fan.

 

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Jay, I "think"<<<key word alert>>>, that they start out of turn 2 with the cone in the middle of the back stretch to avoid the accordian effect in turns 3-4 if they start in turn 4. You seldom, if ever, see that happen if the restarts are back there. (pavement tracks could take a lesson here)

 

As for you claim question, as Sarge mentioned there were no claims which could have only been done at the end of each championship race, not a qualifier. I'm fairly certain that no one(that I spoke to anyway) had a monster motor in the car.

The only real place(big IMCA race) that the top four lose their motors is at the SuperNationals in Boone. The promoter(yes I said promoter...Lawty himself) exercises his promoters claim option, more than the drivers. He then sells the motors in an after race auction and puts that money back into the purse.

 

Even as happy as Eddie may have been, he says TMS has NO intentions of running a lot of shows. He is more about the 6-7 figure profit margin, than 4-5 figure one. LOL ANY short track would be more than happy with those figures, but not TMS. LMAO I will say in his defense that the overhead on the dirt track is probably more for the two big shows than an average track spends all year. Hell the light bill alone would kill most of us. LMAO

 

Glad you made it out!!

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Jay, I "think"<<<key word alert>>>, that they start out of turn 2 with the cone in the middle of the back stretch to avoid the accordian effect in turns 3-4 if they start in turn 4. You seldom, if ever, see that happen if the restarts are back there. (pavement tracks could take a lesson here)

 

As for you claim question, as Sarge mentioned there were no claims which could have only been done at the end of each championship race, not a qualifier. I'm fairly certain that no one(that I spoke to anyway) had a monster motor in the car.

The only real place(big IMCA race) that the top four lose their motors is at the SuperNationals in Boone. The promoter(yes I said promoter...Lawty himself) exercises his promoters claim option, more than the drivers. He then sells the motors in an after race auction and puts that money back into the purse.

 

Even as happy as Eddie may have been, he says TMS has NO intentions of running a lot of shows. He is more about the 6-7 figure profit margin, than 4-5 figure one. LOL ANY short track would be more than happy with those figures, but not TMS. LMAO I will say in his defense that the overhead on the dirt track is probably more for the two big shows than an average track spends all year. Hell the light bill alone would kill most of us. LMAO

 

Glad you made it out!!

HUH???? How does shifting the same action "180 degrees" fix that brake check deal? Asked another way, why wouldn't the brake jam just occur on the FRONT straight and thru 1 and 2? I just hadn't seen it before...no big deal.

On another subject, That 18 sprint car was "married" to the high line until the bitter end, wasn't he?

 

Jay

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I posted this on the pavement forum, but it is probably more appropriate here. I happen to like both dirt and pavement and I know I'm not alone.

 

I agree that the features were great and especially the modified main, but I saw a lot of great heat races too. And I mean a lot!

 

But what really caught my attention was the Sprint Series of Texas. I knew there was a 305 sprint class running around, but didn't know much about them. They may soon be one of my favorites though. Here's what I found on the net today about them. And they will be racing at Kennedale (now I can't remember if it's Cowtown or Kennedale Speedway park or both) friday and saturday nights this weekend. They had 36 at TMS and ran 24 in the feature. They should put on a great show this weekend.

 

 

 

 

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HUH???? How does shifting the same action "180 degrees" fix that brake check deal? Asked another way, why wouldn't the brake jam just occur on the FRONT straight and thru 1 and 2? I just hadn't seen it before...no big deal.

On another subject, That 18 sprint car was "married" to the high line until the bitter end, wasn't he?

 

Jay if a race usually starts/restarts in turn 4, then the middle of the back stretch isn't exactly 180 degree. Instead of the field slowing for turns 3-4, they are accelerating out of turn 2 for the back stretch, It seems to work......what can you say about that?

 

Yes Mike Goerge had the top working, too bad lapped traffic ruined that. "The best laid plans of mice and men soon fall asunder" ....or something like that.

 

Yep Lucky, to the untrained eye the 305's could fool anyone. I found out that the Sprints that run El Paso Speedway Park and Las Cruces(N.M.) are 305's also. You really couldn't tell the speed difference unless you had a stop watch on them.

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...Yes Mike Goerge had the top working, too bad lapped traffic ruined that. "The best laid plans of mice and men soon fall asunder" ....or something like that....

 

The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,

Gang aft agley

 

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HUH???? How does shifting the same action "180 degrees" fix that brake check deal? Asked another way, why wouldn't the brake jam just occur on the FRONT straight and thru 1 and 2? I just hadn't seen it before...no big deal.

On another subject, That 18 sprint car was "married" to the high line until the bitter end, wasn't he?

 

Jay if a race usually starts/restarts in turn 4, then the middle of the back stretch isn't exactly 180 degree. Instead of the field slowing for turns 3-4, they are accelerating out of turn 2 for the back stretch, It seems to work......what can you say about that?

 

Yes Mike Goerge had the top working, too bad lapped traffic ruined that. "The best laid plans of mice and men soon fall asunder" ....or something like that.

 

Yep Lucky, to the untrained eye the 305's could fool anyone. I found out that the Sprints that run El Paso Speedway Park and Las Cruces(N.M.) are 305's also. You really couldn't tell the speed difference unless you had a stop watch on them.

 

Yes, the El Paso sprints are the same rules as these. They make a lot of sense to me for regular people that just want to race. I'm looking forward to seeing them again this weekend.

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I think the "surprise" start that occurs anytime from light out to turn 4 @ texas Thunder is what keeps the pack tight... Also the Modified Waco 2 wide start with the leader out front helps.. keep things close...

 

The first time I saw a "surprise" start was at the Talledega Short Track in AL. The flagman would turn on the green light and wave the green at anytime once they were on the back straight. Of course they probably didn't see the flag, but they could see the light and it seemed to work pretty well.

 

I also like the leader by himself restart. I think all the tracks running the Winged Modifieds a few years ago were using that, but I don't think as many are now.

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